KERS to be delayed?
Discussion
After reading this, how long before the FIA announce a 'delay'?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70466
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70466
Correct me if I'm wrong - but Mclaren developed KERS several years ago - with some University Boffins and had wanted to use it 3/4 years ago - but the FIA banned it at that point
One might think that Mclaren have a serious advantage next year
This one doesn't really smell of FIA bias - but you never know what they'll announce
The McLaren system was also more advanced than the system they want the teams to adopt, it's also IIRC not as advanced as what you find in a Prius.
And this is a new one on me - "as well as the other rule change allowing the use of an electronic front flap adjuster (on the front wing,)"
An electronically adjustable aerodynamic device? I thought they were trying to cut costs and slow cars down or is this to mask someone's flexible front wing from this year?
And this is a new one on me - "as well as the other rule change allowing the use of an electronic front flap adjuster (on the front wing,)"
An electronically adjustable aerodynamic device? I thought they were trying to cut costs and slow cars down or is this to mask someone's flexible front wing from this year?
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Thursday 11th September 12:17
I know. KERS must be taking literally hundreds of millions to research.....and what for?
It wont improve overtaking, as when A presses his button for extra power, B will see this and press his too, negating A's advantage.
Unless A is in a red car and B doesn't have a button in his silver car
It wont improve overtaking, as when A presses his button for extra power, B will see this and press his too, negating A's advantage.
Unless A is in a red car and B doesn't have a button in his silver car
Cara Van Man said:
FourWheelDrift said:
I wonder who's got Duracell sponsorship for 2009?
Williams are usually quite canny at gaining sponsorship.......Would be a nice colour scheme also...black and
Edited by Cara Van Man on Thursday 11th September 13:30
10 Pence Short said:
It'll end up getting delayed.
In other shock news, Massa's engine passed the FIA inspection with flying colours.
Frankly they could have sent along a RR Trent and still got it through.
But then, to add balence, Hamilton's engine was scrutineered in the same way a couple of races ago. Passed as well with no problems.In other shock news, Massa's engine passed the FIA inspection with flying colours.
Frankly they could have sent along a RR Trent and still got it through.
10 Pence Short said:
Cara Van Man said:
FourWheelDrift said:
I wonder who's got Duracell sponsorship for 2009?
Williams are usually quite canny at gaining sponsorship.......Would be a nice colour scheme also...black and
Edited by Cara Van Man on Thursday 11th September 13:30
Remember when Ralf Schumacher tried to make his hair blonde and it came out REALLY ginger a few years ago?
Brundell tried to ask JPM about it on the grid and montoya just laughed and said "No comment" or some such comment to mock Ralf
lord summerisle said:
10 Pence Short said:
It'll end up getting delayed.
In other shock news, Massa's engine passed the FIA inspection with flying colours.
Frankly they could have sent along a RR Trent and still got it through.
But then, to add balence, Hamilton's engine was scrutineered in the same way a couple of races ago. Passed as well with no problems.In other shock news, Massa's engine passed the FIA inspection with flying colours.
Frankly they could have sent along a RR Trent and still got it through.
and Massas engine check was only announced straight after all this "cheating" furore started. A sad attempt to prove parity?
I guess we'll never know for sure, for sure.
kevin ritson said:
If Ferrari can't get KERS to work, perhaps FIAT need to start praying to delay oil running out
Your probably realise this but KERS has nothing to do with saving fuel, if anything I can see the fuel consumption going up (running the engine to charger up the KERS, when it would otherwise be off throttle).Can't really see where this is going, realistically, 12 months is not enough time to develop and test this stuff, as Ferarri (and others) are finding out...
the more interesting bit is the movable aero?? not seen any mention of this before....
Cara Van Man said:
lord summerisle said:
10 Pence Short said:
It'll end up getting delayed.
In other shock news, Massa's engine passed the FIA inspection with flying colours.
Frankly they could have sent along a RR Trent and still got it through.
But then, to add balence, Hamilton's engine was scrutineered in the same way a couple of races ago. Passed as well with no problems.In other shock news, Massa's engine passed the FIA inspection with flying colours.
Frankly they could have sent along a RR Trent and still got it through.
and Massas engine check was only announced straight after all this "cheating" furore started. A sad attempt to prove parity?
I guess we'll never know for sure, for sure.
Scuffers said:
kevin ritson said:
If Ferrari can't get KERS to work, perhaps FIAT need to start praying to delay oil running out
Your probably realise this but KERS has nothing to do with saving fuel, if anything I can see the fuel consumption going up (running the engine to charger up the KERS, when it would otherwise be off throttle).Some are looking at gaining energy from the flywheel. This doesn't involve any charging process as far as I know.....also some are looking at recovering energy from the heat expelled by the car engines and brakes.
i stand to be corrected though.
There was a reasonably interesting article in Autosport a couple of weeks ago, covering the technical changes for next year. The adjustable wing thing looks like another typically unnecessary, complicated and gimmicky rule change that no-one really wants.
If I remember correctly, apparently there will be an adjustable flap on the front wing that can be adjusted by the driver twice per lap. I think the idea is that the driver can dial himself some extra wing if he's in the dirty air behind another car to lessen the disadvantage somewhat...
If I remember correctly, apparently there will be an adjustable flap on the front wing that can be adjusted by the driver twice per lap. I think the idea is that the driver can dial himself some extra wing if he's in the dirty air behind another car to lessen the disadvantage somewhat...
jimbobs said:
There was a reasonably interesting article in Autosport a couple of weeks ago, covering the technical changes for next year. The adjustable wing thing looks like another typically unnecessary, complicated and gimmicky rule change that no-one really wants.
If I remember correctly, apparently there will be an adjustable flap on the front wing that can be adjusted by the driver twice per lap. I think the idea is that the driver can dial himself some extra wing if he's in the dirty air behind another car to lessen the disadvantage somewhat...
I read this. I think theres a fair amount of scepticism that this will work.If I remember correctly, apparently there will be an adjustable flap on the front wing that can be adjusted by the driver twice per lap. I think the idea is that the driver can dial himself some extra wing if he's in the dirty air behind another car to lessen the disadvantage somewhat...
it may be helped by the banning of all the winglets and other little intricate aero devices.
Cara Van Man said:
Scuffers said:
kevin ritson said:
If Ferrari can't get KERS to work, perhaps FIAT need to start praying to delay oil running out
Your probably realise this but KERS has nothing to do with saving fuel, if anything I can see the fuel consumption going up (running the engine to charger up the KERS, when it would otherwise be off throttle).Some are looking at gaining energy from the flywheel. This doesn't involve any charging process as far as I know.....also some are looking at recovering energy from the heat expelled by the car engines and brakes.
i stand to be corrected though.
Some interesting stuff going on though, but i don't think anyone is ready to 'go live' yet :-)
Saving fuel? maybe. Saving energy? No way!
Cara Van Man said:
jimbobs said:
There was a reasonably interesting article in Autosport a couple of weeks ago, covering the technical changes for next year. The adjustable wing thing looks like another typically unnecessary, complicated and gimmicky rule change that no-one really wants.
If I remember correctly, apparently there will be an adjustable flap on the front wing that can be adjusted by the driver twice per lap. I think the idea is that the driver can dial himself some extra wing if he's in the dirty air behind another car to lessen the disadvantage somewhat...
I read this. I think theres a fair amount of scepticism that this will work.If I remember correctly, apparently there will be an adjustable flap on the front wing that can be adjusted by the driver twice per lap. I think the idea is that the driver can dial himself some extra wing if he's in the dirty air behind another car to lessen the disadvantage somewhat...
it may be helped by the banning of all the winglets and other little intricate aero devices.
theory is very sold, if you had moving aero parts, speeds would increase dramatically, no wing on straights, max wing on brakes, corners etc.
this is currently banned for a reason, if they open this up, then can you imagine what would happen if something failed at the end of a stright? no wing, no brakes......
Cara Van Man said:
Scuffers said:
kevin ritson said:
If Ferrari can't get KERS to work, perhaps FIAT need to start praying to delay oil running out
Your probably realise this but KERS has nothing to do with saving fuel, if anything I can see the fuel consumption going up (running the engine to charger up the KERS, when it would otherwise be off throttle).Some are looking at gaining energy from the flywheel. This doesn't involve any charging process as far as I know.....also some are looking at recovering energy from the heat expelled by the car engines and brakes.
i stand to be corrected though.
as for fuel saving, i think there will be (or at least should be) an initiative to limit the fuel volume used during a race which will force teams to recover waste energy. this might actually end up in contributing to some sort of fuel saving down the line wider than F1 but even that's debatable.
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