RE: Peugeot 908 HDi FAP Hybrid
Monday 15th September 2008
Peugeot has revealed a new hybrid race car that can be powered in three different ways. The car may be used at Le Mans and can run in electric mode only in the pit lane, internal combustion engine only, or a combination of the two. The 908 HDi FAP’s 'HY' technology enables a proportion of the kinetic energy produced under braking to be either recovered or stored. The car can then use the stored energy as either a power boost or to conserve fuel, essential in an endurance race.
Michel Barge (Peugeot Sport, Director): ‘This hybrid 908 HDi FAP is in perfect keeping with the overall mission of our endurance racing programme which covers not only the challenge of competing, of course, but also the fact that as a car manufacturer we can use motor sport as a research and development tool for the Peugeot brand as a whole. Whether we use this technology or not in 2009 will obviously depend on the details of the new regulations published by the Automobile Club de l’Ouest.’
Peugeot 908 HDi FAP Hybrid
Peugeot unveils hybrid race car
The hybrid comprises three main elements:
1) A 60 kW gear-driven electric motor-generator which takes the place of the conventional starter motor
2) Batteries which permit recovered energy to be stored in 600 lithium-ion cells divided into 10 battery packs (six in the cockpit instead of the conventional battery and four on the left-hand side of the floor pan)
3) An electronic power converter (located in the rear part of the front left wing) which controls the flow of energy between the batteries and the motor-generator
In the course of a lap of Le Mans the system will recuperate energy for between 20 and 30 seconds. This energy reserve can be used in two ways. Firstly, it can deliver extra power thanks to an additional boost of 60 kW (80 bhp) for approximately 20 seconds per lap, either automatically when re-accelerating or when the driver chooses to make use of it (‘push to pass’). Secondly, it can be used to reduce fuel consumption for the equivalent level of performance thanks to the mechanical energy recovered (between three and five per cent).
Discussion
What a load of publicity bulls
t, like its really going to make much of a difference using the electric motor in the pit lane, they are racing for crying out loud and everybody knows that racing isnt the most efficent way of driving.
Also think about the 'environmental' impact making the batteries would cause, oh wait the greenies dont think about it that way.
t, like its really going to make much of a difference using the electric motor in the pit lane, they are racing for crying out loud and everybody knows that racing isnt the most efficent way of driving.Also think about the 'environmental' impact making the batteries would cause, oh wait the greenies dont think about it that way.
flattotheboards said:
What a load of publicity bullst, like its really going to make much of a difference using the electric motor in the pit lane, they are racing for crying out loud and everybody knows that racing isnt the most efficent way of driving.
Also think about the 'environmental' impact making the batteries would cause, oh wait the greenies dont think about it that way.
I think the idea is they don't have to pit so many times... rather than being 'green' t, like its really going to make much of a difference using the electric motor in the pit lane, they are racing for crying out loud and everybody knows that racing isnt the most efficent way of driving.Also think about the 'environmental' impact making the batteries would cause, oh wait the greenies dont think about it that way.
on a practical point of view, and in a similar way with KERS next year in F1, think of the the potential porblems at an incident. not only in the accident itelf but also in how the accident is dealt with. what happens to the ion cells in a fire? are they an explosion risk? is there an increased risk of electrocution to 3rd parties such as marshalls attending an accident?
never mind KERS what about KISS?
If the sport is going to get all "moral high ground" and get "green", maybe they should change the regs for an instant, cheaper change.
NA 2.5 IC engines, lower rev limit. give it a few years and we will see some amazing results from the engineers.
never mind KERS what about KISS?
If the sport is going to get all "moral high ground" and get "green", maybe they should change the regs for an instant, cheaper change.
NA 2.5 IC engines, lower rev limit. give it a few years and we will see some amazing results from the engineers.
To borrow a Top Gear Magazine quote; If looks won races, this would whoop the R10 into next week. Now watch it fail spectacularly at Le Mans. It's just more PR crap as you guys are saying, and surely that electric motor will add extra weight?
I think it is remarkable that Audi and Peugeot have made diesel cars thrash everything at Le Mans but they will need to be restricted to try and even out the field. One day Aston will make a car which can beat these guys.
I think it is remarkable that Audi and Peugeot have made diesel cars thrash everything at Le Mans but they will need to be restricted to try and even out the field. One day Aston will make a car which can beat these guys.
Tsiakosmantis said:
flattotheboards said:
Surely though this is going to add even more weight? which means they will have to change the rules again so that it will further favour these.
Thats alright then, the ACO dont mind changing a few rules here and there to accomodate Peugeot....I stood next to this at Silverstone at the weekend, the scary thing is it is Far TOO Quiet in the pit lane. Other than that, a darned fine piece of engineering, now the bigger question is how well will it go? It's all well being fuel efficient, but the problem Peugeot had at the weekend was it's drivers hitting oter cars....
dpbird90 said:
To borrow a Top Gear Magazine quote; If looks won races, this would whoop the R10 into next week. Now watch it fail spectacularly at Le Mans
How did it fail spectacularly? Is arriving second a spectacular failure?The car is only 2 years old 3 at most compare to the R10 which is 3 or 4 years old and this doesn't take in account the development aid they had with racing the R8.
Jack
flattotheboards said:
Surely though this is going to add even more weight? which means they will have to change the rules again so that it will further favour these.
No need to change the rules - LMP1 cars will be well under weight by design and ballasted up in the best places for weight distibution to hit the minimum. All they need to do is swap some ballast for components, explaining the somewhat random spread of parts around the chassis.dpbird90 said:
One day Aston will make a car which can beat these guys.
Doubt it - not when they can just partner with Lola and pick up 2nd place when Audi/Peugeot get in to, as Radio Le Mans put it "a street fight" like yesterday.
mchammer89 said:
FAP 
Right, now to read the article...
Yeah, I couldn't get past that either Right, now to read the article...
Fap-Fap-Fap-Fap-Fap-Fap-Fap
Edit:
And on a serious note, is it just me that finds this kind of thing really booring? Doesn't exactly get the pulse racing does it?
...actually, we can recover 60Kw of the braking energy to... 
Edited by The Black Flash on Monday 15th September 16:07
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