I'm with Mosley! On the Drastic Cost cutting required in F1
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F1 is down the tubes if we loose one 2 or more teams - and that could happen SO Easily, Smaller teams just can't just can't afford it and go under, or the large (Manufacturer) ones at board level just say "No THATS IT", we are out of F1.
All about the bottom line.
And as Max says E30m Euros for leasing engines that could be done for 5% of this and no one would really notice any difference.
F1 is down the tubes if we loose one 2 or more teams - and that could happen SO Easily, Smaller teams just can't just can't afford it and go under, or the large (Manufacturer) ones at board level just say "No THATS IT", we are out of F1.
All about the bottom line.
And as Max says E30m Euros for leasing engines that could be done for 5% of this and no one would really notice any difference.
Edited by jellison on Wednesday 8th October 10:00
Although i do agree that costs could do with being reduced, Mosely's attempts and ideas are nothing more than scare tactics trying to get the teams to resolve this issue themselves. They all know that Mosely could come up with some truely stupid methods, like changing engine size/etc again, which cost more in the long run! haha.
The teams are the ones who really need to work out whats best to reduce costs. One thing is certain, should F1 go to a spec series, then its going to be ruined.
The teams are the ones who really need to work out whats best to reduce costs. One thing is certain, should F1 go to a spec series, then its going to be ruined.
jellison said:
german tony said:
I would.
Cobblers, Judd could make these engines at a fraction of the price) - The SHOW would be just as good.F1 is heading to the WALL if this type of thing is not implemented fast. The world is in meltdown - F1 has to do something to sustains itself.
Mosely hasn't said who'll get to build the new lump yet, but can he see a future where a Ferrari (engine) wins every race...?
This does sound like a precursor to a Mad Max rules announcement of some sort:
- Control tyres supplied by Hankook
- All teams to use the same engine & gearbox from a 1.2 Fiesta
- Only 1 transit van, two wheel trailer and a small caravan per team allowed in the paddock
- Promotional girls & accessories to be provided only by Mr Mosley's special agency - "Herr Mosley's Frauen mit Peitschen"
Edited by fastfreddy on Wednesday 8th October 10:32
zac510 said:
It's not our right to have 22 cars at all times so if for some reason there is less then we're just going to have to hack it until some more teams can afford to return..
The problem with that is that the teams that disappear first of all will be the few remaining privateers. Then if the economic situation gets worse, the manufacturers will start to bail, but there will be no privateers to keep it going.As for the OP - Jellison has made it clear that he things F1 should be all about the driver using spec cars so he's bound to agree with this. However I, and many others, think that the team and the car is just as important. IMHO they should be going to other way and freeing up the regs so we can have real innovation with V8s, V10s, V12s, NA/FI, whatever the team wishes to use to gain an advantage somewhere.
You just don't get it do you. Gone are the days of pre-Qualifying and huges grids from the 80s (when cars and team were cheap to run). If F1 looses a few teams it is f
kED.
It has to radically reduce cost and it that mean a max spend of X then so be it.
At least they are talking about divy'ing up the F1 Revenue (to teh Team Purse) equally to all the teams instead of by far the most goes to the highest team points scorers (they always will be).
kED.It has to radically reduce cost and it that mean a max spend of X then so be it.
At least they are talking about divy'ing up the F1 Revenue (to teh Team Purse) equally to all the teams instead of by far the most goes to the highest team points scorers (they always will be).
LexSport, the privateers will be the first ones back into the sport when the manufacturers leave!
I just really don't see how F1 is 'broken' and needs to be fixed, and I've been following it for many years. Every part of it seems to be broken, according to the fans and administration.
I just really don't see how F1 is 'broken' and needs to be fixed, and I've been following it for many years. Every part of it seems to be broken, according to the fans and administration.
It would be a shame if F1 goes down the pan, but I would blame the FIA. They took away 50 million quid from McLaren because a Ferrari mechanic couldn't keep a secret, and said it would be distributed amongst the other teams. By the looks of it, it hasn't happened a year later. Otherwise some of the smaller teams would have made at least some decent progress?
If the unthinkable happens, and F1 ceases to exist, I shall write to the teams inviting them to race for 2 hours round my village (1.3 miles, large straight bit of A Road and the village itself is like a huge layby, in Mobility Scooters. 20 laps. "No" contact as in BTCC. That would be a spectacle
If the unthinkable happens, and F1 ceases to exist, I shall write to the teams inviting them to race for 2 hours round my village (1.3 miles, large straight bit of A Road and the village itself is like a huge layby, in Mobility Scooters. 20 laps. "No" contact as in BTCC. That would be a spectacle
F1 will never "cease" to exist but as I see it, the backbone of the sport are the so-called provate teams run by enthusiasts. The major motor manufacturers are here at the moment spending megabucks in the interests of publicity and some technical advancements but as soon as the boards no longer see a satisfactory return on investement they will spend the money elsewhere and give F1 bakc to the enthusiasts.
In my mind, the halcyion days of F1 were the 1970s when everyone (apart from Ferrari and Matra) ran DFV engines and Hewland gearboxes in a chassis of their own design. The successful teams were the ones who packaged it the best. It was not a "stock" engine and it was not mandated, but it was very successful, it did not detract from the show and we had some great racing.
I'm not asaying we can turn back the clock, but I am saying we do not need heavy investment from major motor manufacturers to give us good F1 racing.
In my mind, the halcyion days of F1 were the 1970s when everyone (apart from Ferrari and Matra) ran DFV engines and Hewland gearboxes in a chassis of their own design. The successful teams were the ones who packaged it the best. It was not a "stock" engine and it was not mandated, but it was very successful, it did not detract from the show and we had some great racing.
I'm not asaying we can turn back the clock, but I am saying we do not need heavy investment from major motor manufacturers to give us good F1 racing.
zac510 said:
LexSport, the privateers will be the first ones back into the sport when the manufacturers leave!
How? If it goes TU and Williams go bust, how are they going to magically re-appear when the manufacturers disappear? The manufacturers can come and go as they please as it's just a marketing exercise for them. The privateers don't have any other sources of income, so if they fail and drop out of F1, there's no way for them to come back in. Even Prodrive couldn't see a way in without buying the chassis and engine from an established team.Lex, it might not be existing teams returning but there are lots of F3/GP2 and Sportscar teams (some that make their own chassis) that would love to jump up to F1. If the manufacturers left then the share of the pie (TV money, sponsor market, etc) would give them the ability to jump up. In some ways the existence of manufacturers is the cost problem that everyone complains about because they raise the bar!
zac510 said:
Lex, it might not be existing teams returning but there are lots of F3/GP2 and Sportscar teams (some that make their own chassis) that would love to jump up to F1. If the manufacturers left then the share of the pie (TV money, sponsor market, etc) would give them the ability to jump up. In some ways the existence of manufacturers is the cost problem that everyone complains about because they raise the bar!
Exactly. Let get back to the 70's / early 80's, ban Pneumatic valve actuation (that is never going to be on a road car (as it needs constantly recharging). get back to 3.0 litre with sensible steel valve string limit of 14,000rpm, more torque and abou the same power as now and cheaper. i.e. tight rengine regs (yes still open to all though just tighter).Well the first thing Max should do to assist F1 is too resign. Many businesses will
not look at sponsorship of F1 teams as long as the sport is connected too a tea drinking,
lice checking women whipper. His actions have brought the sport into dissrepute, most companies
will question the benifit of being connected to a sport goverened by an S&M fetishist.
not look at sponsorship of F1 teams as long as the sport is connected too a tea drinking,
lice checking women whipper. His actions have brought the sport into dissrepute, most companies
will question the benifit of being connected to a sport goverened by an S&M fetishist.
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