Perfect F1 car

[Kurgen]

Anybody remember the link to the article..?
Think it was Williams that was asked to design the perfect F1 car, with no restrictions.

Apparently the driver was the weak link, with cornering up to 10gs!

[FourWheelDrift]

From 2003 - Click for images (to remove resizing on here)

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[Cara Van Man]

FourWheelDrift said:

From 2003 - Click for images (to remove resizing on here)

http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img04820q...

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Horrific. Bloody horrific.

[thunderbelmont]

Why? What's wrong with a six legger?

[Cara Van Man]

thunderbelmont said:

Why? What's wrong with a six legger?

Nothing per se. i love the Tyrrell.

But this looks like the front of an Indy car and the rear end looks, well, I dont know what.

I think it looks awful, but not cos of the six wheels.

[Bombjack]

That is hideous. But wouldn't a closed-wheel design be faster?

[hostile17]

If memory serves, the article made mention of a number of features that have either been banned in F1 or rejected as unworkable at the time (i.e. the six-wheel concept): active suspension, ABS, traction control and continuously variable transmission among them. I remember thinking that CVT in particular sounded like a terrible idea.

[clonmult]

hostile17 said:

If memory serves, the article made mention of a number of features that have either been banned in F1 or rejected as unworkable at the time (i.e. the six-wheel concept): active suspension, ABS, traction control and continuously variable transmission among them. I remember thinking that CVT in particular sounded like a terrible idea.

I think Williams did some work on CVT for F1, could have had some major benefits, but it got banned?

[mrmr96]

clonmult said:

hostile17 said:

If memory serves, the article made mention of a number of features that have either been banned in F1 or rejected as unworkable at the time (i.e. the six-wheel concept): active suspension, ABS, traction control and continuously variable transmission among them. I remember thinking that CVT in particular sounded like a terrible idea.

I think Williams did some work on CVT for F1, could have had some major benefits, but it got banned?

Indeed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3UpBKXMRto

[lewis1]

williams also tested a 6wheel car with 4 at the back in 1970's/80's ?

[miniman]

lewis1 said:

williams also tested a 6wheel car with 4 at the back in 1970's/80's ?

[MrKipling43]

clonmult said:

hostile17 said:

If memory serves, the article made mention of a number of features that have either been banned in F1 or rejected as unworkable at the time (i.e. the six-wheel concept): active suspension, ABS, traction control and continuously variable transmission among them. I remember thinking that CVT in particular sounded like a terrible idea.

I think Williams did some work on CVT for F1, could have had some major benefits, but it got banned?

I thought CVT had been unbanned halfway through this year, since all the teams were using CVT but with a microscopic ignition cut to comply with the 'there must be a break in the transmission in power' reg.

[friederich]

MrKipling43 said:

clonmult said:

hostile17 said:

If memory serves, the article made mention of a number of features that have either been banned in F1 or rejected as unworkable at the time (i.e. the six-wheel concept): active suspension, ABS, traction control and continuously variable transmission among them. I remember thinking that CVT in particular sounded like a terrible idea.

I think Williams did some work on CVT for F1, could have had some major benefits, but it got banned?

I thought CVT had been unbanned halfway through this year, since all the teams were using CVT but with a microscopic ignition cut to comply with the 'there must be a break in the transmission in power' reg.

Not sure about the current FIA regs (who is?), but none of the teams are using what could be described as continuously variable transmission (CVT). They are still using stepped transmissions, ie with distinct fixed ratios. The novel aspect is in the management of the main power transmission clutch (ie the one between engine and transmission) and the dog clutches engaging the ratios. During a full throttle upshift the main clutch is brought to the threshold of slip, but not fully disengaged. The torque from the engine is momentarily reduced (microscopic ignition cut) which allows the dog clutch to be 'snagged' for the higher ratio without locking the transmission (because the main clutch is slipping). Very ingeneous, and pretty much replicates the continuous torque transmission of an auto transmission or a dual clutch transmission without the complexity.

An efficient CVT would without doubt increase performance of an F1 car by maximising the time spent at max power, but just imagine how awful it would sound. Those who witnessed the Williams CVT said as much.

[deevlash]

the 6 wheeler tyrell did confused williams as there seemed to be no point to having the 4 wheels at the front. having them at the rear would allow the foremost 2 wheels to run wet tyres in the rain and the last 2 to be slicks and transmit loads more power to the road.

The front wing isnt actually there to produce downforce in any meaningful way on this car, its just a flow conditioner as the full length skirts combined with active suspension would produce more than would ever be needed anyway.

That ultimate williams did still use the standard tyres and their dimensions that we have today as opposed to some low profile ones and also just used a 3.0 v10 which they reckoned could probably be tuned to 1200bhp iirc.

[EDLT]

FourWheelDrift said:

From 2003 - Click for images (to remove resizing on here)

http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img04820q...

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http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img04842i...

http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img04907n...

Thats awful, there isn't a single machine gun. Also is there a reason why they would use a normal engine, was it that hard for an engineer to write about an imaginary quad turbo 48-litre flat 16?