Picking sides between Mosley and those who want

[Derek Smith]

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/...

Jody Scheckter criticises Mosley directly. Mind you I can't see providing food for Honda is really remaining involved in F1.

And mercedes: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/...

Coming out of the closet with regards the single engine. Plus Renault and BMW.

[10 Pence Short]

Mosley has to be careful that he doesn't take things too far and resurrect the manufacturers association that caused him so much trouble in the past. Especially with the possibility of Ferrari joining the revolt.

[_Batty_]

did Renault say no?
i mean, they do GP2...
anyway, looks like a big 'two fingers up' to Max, who now is looking, yet again, a spoilt brat, stamping his feet and throwing his weight around with no rhyme or reason...

[stuttgartmetal]

Its certainly not being managed uniformly.

Penalties are being handed out for what in years past would be described as racing incidents.

As predicted, because MRM has failed to do the right thing and fall on his sword, the FiA has lost credibility, and is now being heavy handed to re capture it.

Once respect is lost, its far harder to regain it, and in my experience the carrot on a stick works far better than just a stick.

[PJS917]

stuttgartmetal said:

and in my experience the carrot on a stick works far better than just a stick.

But we all know Mosley likes the stick........

Edited by PJS917 on Thursday 30th October 11:10

[profstoff]

It's all just posturing, the FIA are saying "if you don't play ball we're going to do this". Standard procedure that they have done in the past. The manufacturer's are saying "If you do that we're not going to play".

Both sides are making public comment to strengthen their negotiating positions.

I'm a a racing enthusiast though and couldn't give a stuff about all this political bullst.

[davidd]

want what ?

[Derek Smith]

profstoff said:

It's all just posturing, the FIA are saying "if you don't play ball we're going to do this". Standard procedure that they have done in the past. The manufacturer's are saying "If you do that we're not going to play".

I would suggest that the FiA of recent years has done what he wanted regardless of the wishes of the teams. He's not threatened, he's done. This has been the norm since around 1992.

It's what dictators do.

Do you remember what happened when Mosley lost the vote on a minor matter with regards to karting? He resigned, then forgot about resigning, and then everyone who voted against him lost their post. And this on a minor matter.

I don't see this as posturing, I see this as taking sides. All of a sudden there is a power block opposed to Mosley. This is something radical, this is new, this is a challenge to Mosley. This is serious.

There are a number of reasons why this might have materialised at this stage. It could be exasperation with the way things have been managed recently. It could be that this is a last-ditch stand so it is worth the risk of repercusions. The FOCA is confident that Mosley's power base is crumbling and they feel that if they push they might well have it over. The FOCA believe that Mosley is struggling for support and that if they cooperate they can control him (dangerous this one as he's proved in the past that he can turn - ask Eccs).

But what it would seem that the manufacturers interests are under threat: that much is obvious. These are big boys, bigger than Mosley for sure. All they needed to do was cooperate. In the past there had been a reluctance for competitors to work together. Now, it seems, things have changed, the major thing being the management at Ferrari. The FOCA chose Ferrari's CEO as their representative together with a rep from the richest team in the pitlane. This is significant.

Mosley has shown that he does not negotiate. If his prefered option of a single-engined formula is rejected, Mosley will not just smile and fade into the background. He will do what we all do in such circumstances: revert to norm.

The catalyst might have been Mosley's suggestion that he wasn't going to move on next year. Or it might have been everyone's belief that he wasn't going to leave when he made his dramatic statment that he would. Whatever, this is different to the norm.