2009 F1 Changes
2009 F1 Changes
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Seademon

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1,168 posts

242 months

Monday 3rd November 2008
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Anyone have a list of what is changing next year? I know that slicks are back and 'KERS' is being implemented - anything else? Engine size etc?

Cara Van Man

29,977 posts

280 months

Monday 3rd November 2008
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winglets and other surplus aero devices are banned.

JeremyK

191 posts

234 months

Monday 3rd November 2008
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Really stupid looking rear wings.

cat@10

141 posts

237 months

Monday 3rd November 2008
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Rear wings will be smaller, apparently they look silly, a bit too small. The driver will be able to adjust the front wing up to 6 degrees from the steering wheel, but only two adjustments are allowed per lap. They will be able to pit during a safety car too.

Teppic

8,076 posts

286 months

Monday 3rd November 2008
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JeremyK said:
Really stupid looking rear wings.
The rear wing is narrower but the top of it now has to be level with the top of the airbox.



Edited to add picture of Williams testing a 2009 aero package. It's not a complete 2009 aero package though - note the bargeboards are still in place, as well as groovy tyres.

Edited by Teppic on Monday 3rd November 19:53

deevlash

10,442 posts

266 months

Monday 3rd November 2008
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2009 mclaren

RacerMDR

5,582 posts

239 months

Monday 3rd November 2008
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cat@10 said:
Rear wings will be smaller, apparently they look silly, a bit too small. The driver will be able to adjust the front wing up to 6 degrees from the steering wheel, but only two adjustments are allowed per lap. They will be able to pit during a safety car too.
being able to adjust the front wing is an interesting option - but why give it, then limit it?

surely you can adjust it or not - shame they are limiting to two per lap isn't great. I presume its for safety reasons?

edited to say , DOH - they will limit it to two moves per lap to allow favoured teams the option to move it more without penalty.........silly me

Edited by RacerMDR on Monday 3rd November 20:00

Teppic

8,076 posts

286 months

Monday 3rd November 2008
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deevlash said:

2009 mclaren
Not quite. 2008 McLaren running 2008 aerodynamic package with anticipated 2009 downforce levels.

Kinky

39,944 posts

298 months

Monday 3rd November 2008
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Teppic said:
JeremyK said:
Really stupid looking rear wings.
The rear wing is narrower but the top of it now has to be level with the top of the airbox.

But much better for advertising thumbup


deevlash

10,442 posts

266 months

Monday 3rd November 2008
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Teppic said:
deevlash said:

2009 mclaren
Not quite. 2008 McLaren running 2008 aerodynamic package with anticipated 2009 downforce levels.
ah, is it just a 2008 with the devil horns and nose winglets etc lopped off?

Teppic

8,076 posts

286 months

Monday 3rd November 2008
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deevlash said:
Teppic said:
deevlash said:

2009 mclaren
Not quite. 2008 McLaren running 2008 aerodynamic package with anticipated 2009 downforce levels.
ah, is it just a 2008 with the devil horns and nose winglets etc lopped off?
Yes. No team has yet tested a full 2009 aero package. They have all tried to simulate it with what they already have.

Edited by Teppic on Monday 3rd November 20:11

FourWheelDrift

92,287 posts

313 months

Monday 3rd November 2008
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Changes for 2009:-

Changes to the bodywork removal of winglets and barge boards, the vehicle weight and tyre size.

A "Kinetic Energy Recovery System", or KERS. Regenerative energy system taking energy from braking and through flywheel or capacitor proving a boost of power for the drivers use as and when they want it.

Slick tyres will be back for 2009.

A cap on team budgets starting in 2009.

Section 3.18 of the technical regulations contains details of "driver adjustable bodywork". The angle of incidence of elements in a defined area forward of the front wheels can be varied by up to 6 degrees and adjusted by direct driver input. A maximum of 2 adjustments can be made on any lap.

Fire99

9,865 posts

258 months

Monday 3rd November 2008
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Does that mean that awful looking fin behind the air intake will be gone?
Would be nice to have a few classic looking lines again, if thats possible!

thunderbelmont

2,982 posts

253 months

Monday 3rd November 2008
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It means no more horns, no more winglets, no more bridges over the nose, IIRC no more barge boards, etc..... a clean shape.

The higher narrower rear wing "should" permit cars to run closer to each other, but while they still have the stepped floor, I can't see it happening.

At least the canned the idea of the "Centre Downwash" rear wing.


rick.e

783 posts

300 months

Monday 3rd November 2008
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RacerMDR said:
cat@10 said:
, but only two adjustments are allowed per lap. They will be able to pit during a safety car too.
being able to adjust the front wing is an interesting option - but why give it, then limit it?

surely you can adjust it or not - shame they are limiting to two per lap isn't great. I presume its for safety reasons?

Edited by RacerMDR on Monday 3rd November 20:00
If the number of adjustments were unlimited, then it would be a very short step from there to making the car have active aerodynamics, ie automatically or semiautomatically add downforce on fast corners and remove it on the straights. This would detract from the aim of the changes which is to make the cars a bit more involving and put the driver back in control.

Hopefully the new package will make F1 car a bit more like GP2 cars, which are far more interesting to watch.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

299 months

Monday 3rd November 2008
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No James Allen is the most important one of all.

744ti

181 posts

218 months

Monday 3rd November 2008
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FourWheelDrift said:
Changes for 2009:-

A "Kinetic Energy Recovery System", or KERS. Regenerative energy system taking energy from braking and through flywheel or capacitor proving a boost of power for the drivers use as and when they want it.
This reminds me a lot of the A1GP boost system.

Why not (for example) just put an 18k rpm limit in the ECU, then when you want a 'boost', press a button and the ECU allows the engine to reach 19k rpm for 10 seconds.

Jungles

3,587 posts

250 months

Monday 3rd November 2008
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744ti said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Changes for 2009:-

A "Kinetic Energy Recovery System", or KERS. Regenerative energy system taking energy from braking and through flywheel or capacitor proving a boost of power for the drivers use as and when they want it.
This reminds me a lot of the A1GP boost system.

Why not (for example) just put an 18k rpm limit in the ECU, then when you want a 'boost', press a button and the ECU allows the engine to reach 19k rpm for 10 seconds.
Mosley wants F1 to be "relevant" to the wider world. With so much focus on environmental issues, KERS is an idea to make F1 more "green".

Totally half-hearted, IMHO.

If they really wanted to go green, they should cut the max RPM down to 16k, and make the teams build hybrid engines on top. That will actually help the development of hybrid engines for future road cars. KERS doesn't contribute anything.

Edited by Jungles on Monday 3rd November 22:43