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Hi There,
Im sure this has been covered loads of times but myself and a friend have an e36 m3 evo stripped and track prepared and are interested in getting started with racing it.
Just wondering if someone could give us a rough idea of the costs involved in doing this and if its possible to do this race series without sponsorship in place?
Thanks
Ryan
Im sure this has been covered loads of times but myself and a friend have an e36 m3 evo stripped and track prepared and are interested in getting started with racing it.
Just wondering if someone could give us a rough idea of the costs involved in doing this and if its possible to do this race series without sponsorship in place?
Thanks
Ryan
You pay either your own money totally or add whatever sponsorship you can get, simple as that.
Costs... for two hour race 6 tyres £1200, fuel £200 or so....entry an astonishing £1800 per event last year, plus travelling, food, lodgings, maintenance, damage, rebuilds........
Not cheap but great, great fun and very addictive.
Don.
Costs... for two hour race 6 tyres £1200, fuel £200 or so....entry an astonishing £1800 per event last year, plus travelling, food, lodgings, maintenance, damage, rebuilds........
Not cheap but great, great fun and very addictive.
Don.
Britcar is now famous for being a pure cheque book racing series I'm afraid.
You could try the tin Tops series run by the Classic Sports Car Club (google search).... I'm not sure what the engine capacity limit is but its as cheap as multi car two driver racing gets, if your car is eligeable of course.
Failing that your best off sharing on a weekend on, weekend off basis and doing Castle Combe Saloons or Kumho BMW.
You could try the tin Tops series run by the Classic Sports Car Club (google search).... I'm not sure what the engine capacity limit is but its as cheap as multi car two driver racing gets, if your car is eligeable of course.
Failing that your best off sharing on a weekend on, weekend off basis and doing Castle Combe Saloons or Kumho BMW.
yeah it definitly is seeming more and more like that, kumho doesnt seem that unreasonable really actually. only problem is the same situation where the winners of most races will have a £3k brake set up, top line suspension, and everything, whereas we could only afford 1-2 top level bits n bobs. should still be fun though i guess.
cheers
ryan
cheers
ryan
Sadly, I don't think that the E36 is eligible for either of the CSCC Tin Tops or Future Classics series. Tin Tops is a 2 litre capacity limit (any age) but Future Classics (where cars over 2 litres are welcomed) has an age restriction of 1989 model year cars and I think that the E36 was introduced in 1992.
It is worth e-mailing the club and asking, though, as some cars that are outside of this age restriction (such as the MGF) do race on an invitation basis. The CSCC runs good clubmans series and offers good value for money.
Have a look here: http://www.classicsportscarclub.co.uk
The contact details can be found via the home page. Richard Culverhouse is probably the man to speak to.
It is worth e-mailing the club and asking, though, as some cars that are outside of this age restriction (such as the MGF) do race on an invitation basis. The CSCC runs good clubmans series and offers good value for money.
Have a look here: http://www.classicsportscarclub.co.uk
The contact details can be found via the home page. Richard Culverhouse is probably the man to speak to.
cheekeebuga said:
yeah it definitly is seeming more and more like that, kumho doesnt seem that unreasonable really actually. only problem is the same situation where the winners of most races will have a £3k brake set up, top line suspension, and everything, whereas we could only afford 1-2 top level bits n bobs. should still be fun though i guess.
cheers
ryan
Ryan, Kumho is not quite that bad, the ethos of low cost is still present, brakes are restricted to 4 pots for all but E46 M3's so you'd be hard pushed to find anyting more expensive than a standard AP Kit at £1400, there are those with Intrax and Moton but that's because in the end the relatively high up front costs are rewarded in faster lap times and less frequet rebuilds and not having to junk them! Kumho is a great place to start racing, I started there, great bunch of friendly and fun people, no racing is cheap but Kumho is nowhere near the cost of something like Britcar, about 1/6th - 1/10th of the cost I would say so i'd seriously consider itcheers
ryan
thats interesting definitly.
A few more questions, are there many people in the championship that run semi-race prepped cars, as in have bought an m3 stripped it and put some suspension on and thats it? or are most of them full on jobbies? as even if were all the way at the back we'd have someon to compete with still which is the moast important thing at this stage.
Do you have to buy the kumho tyres every race? if so what sort of prices do they come in at?
Ryan
A few more questions, are there many people in the championship that run semi-race prepped cars, as in have bought an m3 stripped it and put some suspension on and thats it? or are most of them full on jobbies? as even if were all the way at the back we'd have someon to compete with still which is the moast important thing at this stage.
Do you have to buy the kumho tyres every race? if so what sort of prices do they come in at?
Ryan
You could try the LMA Euro saloons. Full grids, TV coverage, Cheap entry fees and relatively cheap racing. Its a 'slicks' championship so it can get expensive if you stick a new set on every outing but realistically you could use a set for several meetings.
There are several E36 M3's competing already.
There are several E36 M3's competing already.
It's been a few years since I was in Kumho but tyres used to be £121 for the 17" jobbies and most used to change every 2-4 weekends, you'd always keep a new set for the wet so really you'd be looking at min 3 sets, most likely 4-6 though, still far cheaper than some series and used slicks are only good for a bit, usually the best has gone out of them by the time they're sold on.
Virtyally all the cars are road converted cars but in various stages so you'd be ok wiht a moderately developed car if you went into something like class B, i'll try and get one of the Kumho lads to give you a shout
Virtyally all the cars are road converted cars but in various stages so you'd be ok wiht a moderately developed car if you went into something like class B, i'll try and get one of the Kumho lads to give you a shout
Hi Ryan - BMSport run a few E36's in the Kumho championship you could speak to them too for some info, theres some info on their site about it aswell www.bmsport.com
cheekeebuga said:
That would be great mate, would appreciate a heads up from someone who has actually run a car in there, just get him to drop me a line if you would.
thanks again guys, all very helpful.
ryan
Ryan I forwarded a link to one of the organisers, hopefully they'll contact you shortly, i ran a car in there for 2 seasons and have all the costings somewhere, email me your details and i'll try and dig it outthanks again guys, all very helpful.
ryan
If I were starting out and wanted to win in a good series, I would nab an ex-Leon cupra cup car for less than £20k and race in the LMA Eurosaloons. The cars are not as glamorous as a rwd BMW, but they are faster and have audi 1.8 turbo lumps that can easily be turned up to over 400bhp...
Kuhmo is a bit pap as it uses road tyres...
Kuhmo is a bit pap as it uses road tyres...
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