So is FiF1 a dog or not?
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Let's look at the facts. The team hauls itself closer to the midfield teams over the course of several seasons through careful development despite being sold several times on ebay to a succession of individuals without the werewithal (or maybe just willingness) to invest in it. Along comes the saviour...or so we think.....but then we're not so sure. One driver is past his best, the other brings cash...but surely they'll change their drivers now Vijay has ridden into town? Surely they'll be given the facilities and budget they require to leapfrog Honda, Williams and Red Bull?
Instead they retain the same 2 drivers, fire the man behind the team's resurgence and do a deal with McLaren - just how is that permitted BTW, given the fact that DR was specifically told only a year ago that he couldn't do the same thing? What does FW think of all this? Presumbly since Bernie's bunged him a welcome advance, he won't be screaming too loudly.
My view FWIW? it's most definitely a dog.
Instead they retain the same 2 drivers, fire the man behind the team's resurgence and do a deal with McLaren - just how is that permitted BTW, given the fact that DR was specifically told only a year ago that he couldn't do the same thing? What does FW think of all this? Presumbly since Bernie's bunged him a welcome advance, he won't be screaming too loudly.
My view FWIW? it's most definitely a dog.
The fact that FI retained their two drivers, rather than doing the obvious and at least putting di Resta in one of the seats, suggests that McLaren's influence is limited. Toyota supply engines to another team, as do Ferrari and Renault. Perhaps the FI/McL deal is different from theirs, but I don't know that it is.
As for Mike Gascoyne, I neither know the man nor am knowledgeable enough to have an opinion as to his abilities. It does seem odd, however, that a man with his great media reputation would be the former technical director of so many teams.
As for Mike Gascoyne, I neither know the man nor am knowledgeable enough to have an opinion as to his abilities. It does seem odd, however, that a man with his great media reputation would be the former technical director of so many teams.
FourWheelDrift said:
groomi said:
Dave Richards intended to run a complete McLaren - chassis and everything.
Quite unlike the Redbull Racing and Scuderia Torro Rosso as well..............oh wait.
WTF does Vijay know about F1? Well perhaps he's learnt that a) you can't win just by being a clever businessman and b) It's quite expensive and full of BS
As for MG he must surely be running out of places to cash in on? I've never worked for the guy, but he doesn't seem like the sort of character a forward thinking F1 team should be aspiring to.
As for MG he must surely be running out of places to cash in on? I've never worked for the guy, but he doesn't seem like the sort of character a forward thinking F1 team should be aspiring to.
Mike Gascoyne's success is built upon the Jordan he designed for 1999, which Frentzen took to 2 wins and a close 3rd in both Championships. But then again Hill won with the previous seasons non-Gascoyne designed car and both drivers picked up good points in the 2nd half of the season to finish 4th in the constructors championships, so how hard is it to take a winning car and continue it's development, evolve rather than create? He then moved to Renault for 2.5 years where they took one win in 2003 only before Toyota, then Spyker and Force India.
FourWheelDrift said:
Mike Gascoyne's success is built upon the Jordan he designed for 1999, which Frentzen took to 2 wins and a close 3rd in both Championships. But then again Hill won with the previous seasons non-Gascoyne designed car and both drivers picked up good points in the 2nd half of the season to finish 4th in the constructors championships, so how hard is it to take a winning car and continue it's development, evolve rather than create? He then moved to Renault for 2.5 years where they took one win in 2003 only before Toyota, then Spyker and Force India.
He is Mr. B Spec.
FourWheelDrift said:
Mike Gascoyne's success is built upon the Jordan he designed for 1999, which Frentzen took to 2 wins and a close 3rd in both Championships. But then again Hill won with the previous seasons non-Gascoyne designed car and both drivers picked up good points in the 2nd half of the season to finish 4th in the constructors championships, so how hard is it to take a winning car and continue it's development, evolve rather than create? He then moved to Renault for 2.5 years where they took one win in 2003 only before Toyota, then Spyker and Force India.
Jordan's success with Frentzen had more to do with Hill IMHO, H-HF had seen the benefits before of the input of a great test driver at Williams. Its happened before many times Hunt followed Fittipaldi, Massa followed Schumacher etc.. There is no doubt that MG is a very, very clever man and has acheived a lot....for himself.
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