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Interesting.
There was an article in the Sunday Times by Brundle (I think) that gave some estimates on what was car and what was driver.
They said that all things being equal (i.e. same driver, conditions etc) the difference between the fastest and slowest car was around 2 seconds per lap, but in the same car, the spread between the fastest and slowest drivers would be around 0.5 seconds per lap.
There was an article in the Sunday Times by Brundle (I think) that gave some estimates on what was car and what was driver.
They said that all things being equal (i.e. same driver, conditions etc) the difference between the fastest and slowest car was around 2 seconds per lap, but in the same car, the spread between the fastest and slowest drivers would be around 0.5 seconds per lap.
FWDRacer said:
a Michael Schumacher.
5-6 second victory margin a la Button? Errr Piffle - the man would have practically lapped the field.
Congratulations to Jenson, but on the strength of Melbourne alone, I wouldn't be rushing to the bookies to put Jenson as F1 WDC 2009.
Jenson would have lapped the field if not for the safety cars. I think he was 10 seconds ahead of the Ferraris after 10 laps. The car is seriously quick and Mclaren/Ferrari need to hang onto its coattails until Europe or the April 14th hearing.5-6 second victory margin a la Button? Errr Piffle - the man would have practically lapped the field.
Congratulations to Jenson, but on the strength of Melbourne alone, I wouldn't be rushing to the bookies to put Jenson as F1 WDC 2009.
Of course shuey always won by a massive margin in a dominant car, not! You drive as quick as is required, especially in difficult conditions with low light in your eyes and a colder than ideal track. The lad had a massive lead on most of the field until the safety car came out, twice! You forget that little bit of info?
To lap the field, Jenson would have had to have overtaken people. His outright speed has never (in my eyes) been in question.
It would have been interesting to see if his racecraft would have allowed him to win by over half a lap etc. Schumacher's ability to dispatch cars (Carefully worded
), be it backmarkers or competitors was never in question.
It would have been interesting to see if his racecraft would have allowed him to win by over half a lap etc. Schumacher's ability to dispatch cars (Carefully worded
), be it backmarkers or competitors was never in question.FWDRacer said:
a Michael Schumacher.
5-6 second victory margin a la Button? Errr Piffle - the man would have practically lapped the field.
Congratulations to Jenson, but on the strength of Melbourne alone, I wouldn't be rushing to the bookies to put Jenson as F1 WDC 2009.
This was offered in another thread as well: that a 'great driver' would have won by a wider margin. I wonder how big some of Schumi's wins - or Senna's, or any of the greats - would have been if they had only eight engines to use for the entire season. 5-6 second victory margin a la Button? Errr Piffle - the man would have practically lapped the field.
Congratulations to Jenson, but on the strength of Melbourne alone, I wouldn't be rushing to the bookies to put Jenson as F1 WDC 2009.
dafeller said:
FWDRacer said:
a Michael Schumacher.
5-6 second victory margin a la Button? Errr Piffle - the man would have practically lapped the field.
Congratulations to Jenson, but on the strength of Melbourne alone, I wouldn't be rushing to the bookies to put Jenson as F1 WDC 2009.
This was offered in another thread as well: that a 'great driver' would have won by a wider margin. I wonder how big some of Schumi's wins - or Senna's, or any of the greats - would have been if they had only eight engines to use for the entire season. 5-6 second victory margin a la Button? Errr Piffle - the man would have practically lapped the field.
Congratulations to Jenson, but on the strength of Melbourne alone, I wouldn't be rushing to the bookies to put Jenson as F1 WDC 2009.
Also let’s not forget that the car has only had seven days testing so why would they push the car in the race and possibly throw away a win if something went bang.
With the regulations being the way they are at the moment you need to conserve engines as best as possible. Glory runs are all well and good but could be detrimental on future races.
Ross is a very clever bloke, did you here him telling Rubens to slow down at the end of the race to save the car and ensure he did not get into trouble.
With the regulations being the way they are at the moment you need to conserve engines as best as possible. Glory runs are all well and good but could be detrimental on future races.
Ross is a very clever bloke, did you here him telling Rubens to slow down at the end of the race to save the car and ensure he did not get into trouble.
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Didn't miss anything; this was my point
Ross is a very clever bloke, did you here him telling Rubens to slow down at the end of the race to save the car and ensure he did not get into trouble.
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Didn't miss anything; this was my point
FWDRacer said:
To lap the field, Jenson would have had to have overtaken people. His outright speed has never (in my eyes) been in question.
It would have been interesting to see if his racecraft would have allowed him to win by over half a lap etc. Schumacher's ability to dispatch cars (Carefully worded), be it backmarkers or competitors was never in question.
Erm, blue flags?It would have been interesting to see if his racecraft would have allowed him to win by over half a lap etc. Schumacher's ability to dispatch cars (Carefully worded
), be it backmarkers or competitors was never in question.Sorry I don't buy that. I'm no Button fan and if anything I actually used to be a bit of a Schumacher fan in his day but you can't make a direct comparison like that.
We know the Brawn GP team has had very little testing (relatively) with the Mercedes engine and one of the cars (Barachello's I think) had to have 4th gear replaced in the gearbox prior to the race so I would very much doubt Brawn's directions to the drivers would be to try and thrash the other teams by a country mile and ignore reliability.
Also there were two Safety car spells with the 1st one totally negating the lead Button had gained.
And to top it off Button's last pitstop was a bit wobbley..
Credit where it's due, Button did a stirling effort in a car that is very much different from the Schumacher days. I'm not now saying Button is the greatest driver in history but lets allow him the praise he deserves.
Well done mate!!
We know the Brawn GP team has had very little testing (relatively) with the Mercedes engine and one of the cars (Barachello's I think) had to have 4th gear replaced in the gearbox prior to the race so I would very much doubt Brawn's directions to the drivers would be to try and thrash the other teams by a country mile and ignore reliability.
Also there were two Safety car spells with the 1st one totally negating the lead Button had gained.
And to top it off Button's last pitstop was a bit wobbley..
Credit where it's due, Button did a stirling effort in a car that is very much different from the Schumacher days. I'm not now saying Button is the greatest driver in history but lets allow him the praise he deserves.
Well done mate!!
FWDRacer said:
a Michael Schumacher.
5-6 second victory margin a la Button? Errr Piffle - the man would have practically lapped the field.
Congratulations to Jenson, but on the strength of Melbourne alone, I wouldn't be rushing to the bookies to put Jenson as F1 WDC 2009.
He cannot win, qualifies it on pole and then strokes a low testing mileage car through to the end of the race. 5-6 second victory margin a la Button? Errr Piffle - the man would have practically lapped the field.
Congratulations to Jenson, but on the strength of Melbourne alone, I wouldn't be rushing to the bookies to put Jenson as F1 WDC 2009.
His team mates have included former world champ Villeneuve and Ralph Schumacher, both of whom he made look slow.
He drove a better race than Rubens, who on his day gave big bro Schumi a reasonable run in equivalent cars.
bennno
FWDRacer said:
a Michael Schumacher.
5-6 second victory margin a la Button? Errr Piffle - the man would have practically lapped the field.
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So he would have lapped the entire field after the safety car pulled off leaving a500 yeard blat to the flag would he?5-6 second victory margin a la Button? Errr Piffle - the man would have practically lapped the field.
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You point is moot because we have no idea how far ahead Button would have finished sans safety cars
CarbonM5 said:
Buttons driving is similar to Schueys,mabe slightly smoother.
No way would schu have done any better!
That was said with tongue in cheek right? I'm really, really happy for Button, he's a great driver and he deserves this break more than pretty much everyone on the grid (aswell as Rubens for his years of playing second fiddle when he was in a top car) but if people start comparing Button to Schumi straight off like they did with Hamilton comparing him with Senna, it's gonna be another tedious season media-wise.No way would schu have done any better!
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