The end of F1 as we know it?
The end of F1 as we know it?
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german tony

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2,000 posts

237 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2009
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http://pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?f...

I'm struggling to believe that multi-millionaires & their colleagues/rivals are dumb enough to have employed the kind of legal people likely to misinterpret the forms they were filling in. Nor do I think that they are unaware of the consequences of attaching extra bits to their applications.

Thus I'm forced to the conculsion that 9 teams want a way out of F1.


flemke

23,493 posts

266 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2009
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Discussed (or should that be "disgust"?) a bit here, Tony:

http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...

The latest is just the same old. The World Motor Sport Council can change the terms whenever they like, so these guys will deal or not regardless of the artificial 29th May deadline.
The interesting position is the Commercial Rights Holder's, the one now located between a rock and a hard place.
We don't know exactly what FOTA have asked for, but I'd guess that Mosley's objections are less to do with the timing of the cap and other details of actual racing (to which he has seemed for years to be indifferent) and mostly to do with future "governance".

stifler

37,069 posts

217 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2009
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8 teams.

Ferrari have a banker either way.

Altrezia

8,741 posts

240 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2009
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I'm totally torn by this. On one hand, I think that the racing is pretty good at the moment, with a great selection of drivers, and I don't want that to end.

On the other, I'd love to see F1 break apart.

DJC

23,563 posts

265 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2009
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flemke said:
Discussed (or should that be "disgust"?) a bit here, Tony:

http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...

The latest is just the same old. The World Motor Sport Council can change the terms whenever they like, so these guys will deal or not regardless of the artificial 29th May deadline.
The interesting position is the Commercial Rights Holder's, the one now located between a rock and a hard place.
We don't know exactly what FOTA have asked for, but I'd guess that Mosley's objections are less to do with the timing of the cap and other details of actual racing (to which he has seemed for years to be indifferent) and mostly to do with future "governance".
Yep. Max's increased meddling over the last cpl of seasons have been all about positioning himself as Bernie's replacement in effectively running the sport. The FIA has become about Max, not about the FIA. Its been about convincing Bernie's commercial partners that he is the right man to replace Bernie. Max has been Bernie's retirement plan.

Hes pushed a bit too far this year which is why Bernie had to step in over the last cpl of weeks and knock a few heads together, but for the most part Bernie has been content to let Max do the running because he is Bernie's appointed man.

DrTre

12,957 posts

261 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2009
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Not even newsworthy is it?

Some people sign up, with some caveats, to something with a deadline. Of course those caveats aren't legally binding merely postponed the thrashing out of the details til later.

That's all these signings ever were, breathing space for all involved.

Derek Smith

49,748 posts

277 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2009
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DJC said:
Yep. Max's increased meddling over the last cpl of seasons have been all about positioning himself as Bernie's replacement in effectively running the sport. The FIA has become about Max, not about the FIA. Its been about convincing Bernie's commercial partners that he is the right man to replace Bernie. Max has been Bernie's retirement plan.

Hes pushed a bit too far this year which is why Bernie had to step in over the last cpl of weeks and knock a few heads together, but for the most part Bernie has been content to let Max do the running because he is Bernie's appointed man.
Max cannot replace Bernie. The FiA is banned from taking any interest in the financial aspects of F1. The split between Bernie and Mosley's responsibilities is a legal requirement.

german tony

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2,000 posts

237 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2009
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DrTre said:
Not even newsworthy is it?

Some people sign up, with some caveats, to something with a deadline. Of course those caveats aren't legally binding merely postponed the thrashing out of the details til later.

That's all these signings ever were, breathing space for all involved.
It seems significant to me that Max isn't running around crowing about it. Or perhaps the world's press has finally got bored of giving him space to massage his ego in.


skwdenyer

18,707 posts

269 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2009
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Derek Smith said:
DJC said:
Yep. Max's increased meddling over the last cpl of seasons have been all about positioning himself as Bernie's replacement in effectively running the sport. The FIA has become about Max, not about the FIA. Its been about convincing Bernie's commercial partners that he is the right man to replace Bernie. Max has been Bernie's retirement plan.

Hes pushed a bit too far this year which is why Bernie had to step in over the last cpl of weeks and knock a few heads together, but for the most part Bernie has been content to let Max do the running because he is Bernie's appointed man.
Max cannot replace Bernie. The FiA is banned from taking any interest in the financial aspects of F1. The split between Bernie and Mosley's responsibilities is a legal requirement.
Max can replace Bernie if Max doesn't stand for the FIA again and instead moves over to FOM. Since it is hard to imagine the teams wanting that, if this is the intended path, it is imperative that Bernie get all the teams to sign up to a new, 5-year Concorde Agreement asap so that they are tied-in.

Or maybe not... remember, the truth is out there smile