Dicking about in drivers briefings
Discussion
Fine them, or put points on their license? I don't know how it works in kart briefings, but then, they're preaching to youngsters, so must be tough.
I shouldn't worry though, I've personally been sat in an FIA drivers briefing which turned into a b
h fight and almost fisticuffs! So the kids have nothing to worry about! 
I shouldn't worry though, I've personally been sat in an FIA drivers briefing which turned into a b
h fight and almost fisticuffs! So the kids have nothing to worry about! The clerk wont do anything if he dicks about in the briefing in my experience. However if he misses something important about the track or the format or any special conditions being applied on the day he wont get any sympathy from the officials should he fall foul of something which was mentioned in the briefing and which he didn't take on board due to the arsing about which was going on.
Ultimately you are the parent, the Clerk isn't there to wet nurse small boys who aren't able to behave (up to a point of course).
If you are unable to make him behave then I'd agree with stop taking him or I'd be temped to talk to the Clerk and set your son up for a bking in front of the rest of them. That should have the desired effect.
If you are unable to make him behave then I'd agree with stop taking him or I'd be temped to talk to the Clerk and set your son up for a b
king in front of the rest of them. That should have the desired effect. pixelpimp said:
When I used to give safety briefings it was always the idiots who mucked around that ended up hurt.
I'm ashamed to say I could almost predict who would be injured.
had that on a road rally - gave a briefing to say that the roads were very greasy etc. and that we didn't want to spend our Friday night pulling muppets out of hedges. Idiot made some sort of comment about making sure we had a good strong tow rope. We needed it - within half an hour he had rammed a bank and cart-wheeled his mini up the road. Predictable and inevitableI'm ashamed to say I could almost predict who would be injured.
You could end up with a Fine for the Entrant (parent) and licence endorsed for the driver.
Better to tell him either he behaves or the Kart goes back on the van, if he misses a serious issue then it might have safety implications, and there are enough MSA Stewards who dont want to attend Kart meetings, as it is because of incidents that start on the track and spill over into the paddock. So having to deal with disruptive kids at briefings would cause even more Stewards to refuse Kart meetings.
Better to tell him either he behaves or the Kart goes back on the van, if he misses a serious issue then it might have safety implications, and there are enough MSA Stewards who dont want to attend Kart meetings, as it is because of incidents that start on the track and spill over into the paddock. So having to deal with disruptive kids at briefings would cause even more Stewards to refuse Kart meetings.
I wouldn't say he is disruptive, but whispers with his mates and makes the odd joke for the benefit of those around him, I like the idea of getting the clerk to give him a public dressing down. After seeing a scrut and a father in each others faces with a sidepod being waved around and some very fruity language, I'm surprised anybody wants to do kart meetings, although it was plain for the whole of parc ferme to see that the scrut started it!
Hmm so long as hes not disruptive and understands everything I wouldn't worry too much. I know its not brilliant but then equally I've seen too many fathers push their sons into treating their karting so seriously the kids just wanted to give up and you don't want to go down that route. Obviously if he is missing important information or its his first visit to the track etc then its worth acting over but most of the time when its a track you race month in month out at most of the stuff is the same anyway. I think as well clerks realise kids won't listen to everything and thats why they prefer it for parents to also attend so they can at least hear the relavant information and remind the kids of it.
So long as nobodys safety is being comprimised though the last thing I would do is make an example of him for the simple reason that remember its all meant to be fun and its not school where he should hauled up and embarassed for whispering a few comments to his mates.
Thats my take anyway.
So long as nobodys safety is being comprimised though the last thing I would do is make an example of him for the simple reason that remember its all meant to be fun and its not school where he should hauled up and embarassed for whispering a few comments to his mates.
Thats my take anyway.
Grand Fromage said:
Ashamedly my son enjoys a laugh and a joke in the drivers briefings at his kart races, I tell him continually to stop it and pay attention and am worried he will one day get in serious trouble for it, is there anything a Clerk can do about behavior at briefings?
why don't you just take his go-kart away for a while?...Grand Fromage said:
I wouldn't say he is disruptive, but whispers with his mates and makes the odd joke for the benefit of those around him, I like the idea of getting the clerk to give him a public dressing down. After seeing a scrut and a father in each others faces with a sidepod being waved around and some very fruity language, I'm surprised anybody wants to do kart meetings, although it was plain for the whole of parc ferme to see that the scrut started it!
Good grief!! Do your own parenting.You tell him what he shouldn't do & where the "line" is (and that if he crosses it you will take hime home).
If he crosses the line you take him home & abandon the meeting.
He'll only do it once.
How hard can it be ???
Edited by Iain328 on Monday 8th June 23:42
Iain328 said:
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Good grief!! Do your own parenting.
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x2 (and in agreement with the others above).Good grief!! Do your own parenting.
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Grow a pair and tell him he either packs it in, or doesn't go any more.
Do you really, really think that getting another adult to rip him a new one is going to set the right tone for him in other areas of life, let alone his karting?
I race karts and all the briefings I have done have had kids messing around - it annoys me as i'm trying to listen to what the clerk is saying (being a novice) and often the kids are chatting so I can't hear properly.
If the clerk singled out one particularly noisy child and gave a firm ticking off then I think that would stop a lot of it, the others wouldn't want the same done to them.
But on the flip side, yes the parent should also give the child a firm word after the briefing, you are responsible for them until they are 18 at a race meeting - you sign a race entry saying so.
If the clerk singled out one particularly noisy child and gave a firm ticking off then I think that would stop a lot of it, the others wouldn't want the same done to them.
But on the flip side, yes the parent should also give the child a firm word after the briefing, you are responsible for them until they are 18 at a race meeting - you sign a race entry saying so.
Iain328 said:
Grand Fromage said:
I wouldn't say he is disruptive, but whispers with his mates and makes the odd joke for the benefit of those around him, I like the idea of getting the clerk to give him a public dressing down. After seeing a scrut and a father in each others faces with a sidepod being waved around and some very fruity language, I'm surprised anybody wants to do kart meetings, although it was plain for the whole of parc ferme to see that the scrut started it!
Good grief!! Do your own parenting.You tell him what he shouldn't do & where the "line" is (and that if he crosses it you will take hime home).
If he crosses the line you take him home & abandon the meeting.
He'll only do it once.
How hard can it be ???
Edited by Iain328 on Monday 8th June 23:42
t these briefing are dull as st after you have had one.Can you not just have a quick word when he's in a 'quieter' mood...ie away from his mates so as not to embarress or make a scene. Does he normally take advice from his old man!?
I was tempted to agree that someone else in authorty might have more impact than a parent - but I also realise that even slightly tainting the enjoyment side may have a longer lasting effect which Im sure is not what you're after.
I guess you are only interested in him being safe whilst he's having fun.
I was tempted to agree that someone else in authorty might have more impact than a parent - but I also realise that even slightly tainting the enjoyment side may have a longer lasting effect which Im sure is not what you're after.
I guess you are only interested in him being safe whilst he's having fun.
Regional said:
I race karts and all the briefings I have done have had kids messing around - it annoys me as i'm trying to listen to what the clerk is saying (being a novice) and often the kids are chatting so I can't hear properly.
If the clerk singled out one particularly noisy child and gave a firm ticking off then I think that would stop a lot of it, the others wouldn't want the same done to them.
But on the flip side, yes the parent should also give the child a firm word after the briefing, you are responsible for them until they are 18 at a race meeting - you sign a race entry saying so.
If the clerk singled out one particularly noisy child and gave a firm ticking off then I think that would stop a lot of it, the others wouldn't want the same done to them.
But on the flip side, yes the parent should also give the child a firm word after the briefing, you are responsible for them until they are 18 at a race meeting - you sign a race entry saying so.
I raced against you in TKM extreme at Kimbolton today, number 49 - the very young one. It was my first weekend in seniors. Where did you finish the final? Hello everyone by the way.
If the clerks made the breifinga a bit more interesting then there would be no chattering. Because the weary blazers keep on spouting the same ste every week, then obviosly kids get bored.
Quite frankly, in my experience (rally/race/karting for 40 yeara up to internnational level) most clerks are failed traffic wardens and on an extended ego trip and are full of prejudices. Just my opinion..
How many of you pay total attention to the safety stuff on an airliner?
te every week, then obviosly kids get bored. Quite frankly, in my experience (rally/race/karting for 40 yeara up to internnational level) most clerks are failed traffic wardens and on an extended ego trip and are full of prejudices. Just my opinion..
How many of you pay total attention to the safety stuff on an airliner?
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