Campos, Manor & USF1 ~ Will they make it?
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Alfie Noakes said:
They signed up for a budget capped series and now there is no cap.
So will they have the money to do it?
USF1 maybe, but the other two......
Part of the agreemeent seems to be that the current manufacturers will help the new teams with technical assistance - whatever that means.So will they have the money to do it?
USF1 maybe, but the other two......
barrettabolt said:
I obviously missed this but.... what happened to the prodrive entry?
sorry - just caught uphttp://www.crash.net/f1/news/148189/1/prodrive_lol...
EDLT said:
If they let USF1 in will they finally tell us which bits of F1 cars are "mostly made in America anyway"?
The other two teams will never be heard from again imo.
it cracks me up every time they say that!The other two teams will never be heard from again imo.
I'm surprised Peter Windsor is going with that line so much... I thought he had more sense.
amd to answer the original question: I fully expect them to bring a return to cars that struggle to make the 107% rule!
As long as they have the funding secure (which is supposed to be one of the things thoroughly checked by the FIA) then Dallara (Campos) and Wirth Research (Manor) should both make a half decent job of designing an F1 car. I'd say they are better placed in all but name than both Prodrive and Lola.
Edited by SimonY on Wednesday 24th June 18:51
I can see Prodrive taking over somebody before the year is out. Perhaps Renault's potentially unwanted operation not that far from Prodrive's main site. Or Torro Rosso. Which still hasn't been sold despite the rumours surrounding it's availablilty in the last 2 years or so.
As for the 3 newbies themselves, it's about money, if they have some they've got a chance. Not a very big chance admitedly. I predict at least 1 will fall by the wayside before next seaon & I'd have a ount at 10 to 1 that none of them make it. It's not like money grows on tress for untried start-ups at the best of times let alone now.
As for the 3 newbies themselves, it's about money, if they have some they've got a chance. Not a very big chance admitedly. I predict at least 1 will fall by the wayside before next seaon & I'd have a ount at 10 to 1 that none of them make it. It's not like money grows on tress for untried start-ups at the best of times let alone now.
belleair302 said:
USF1 is going to base most of its operation here in the UK so expect some serious recruiting and they will no doubt 'buy' engines from Costworth, gearboxes and electronics from McLaren (TAG), so don't expect any rocket science from the 'good ole boys' in NC.
???since when? Everything I have read says they will have their factory in the states and their european base in Spain!
There is no details on Brawns / STR or Red Bull's 2010 Engine - but here is an extract from Cosworth's website...
"Cosworth's tradition of success in Formula One began when its DFV engine won first time out in 1967. It was the first F1 engine to be designed to function as a fully stressed element of the chassis, enabling the sport's most innovative engineers to repackage their cars and find considerable performance improvements; this philosophy was swiftly copied and remains at the core of F1 design. The CA2006 Cosworth Formula One engine was raced by the WilliamsF1 team throughout the 2006 season. It was competitive from the outset and achieved a Formula One landmark of 20,000RPM during qualifying for its race debut at the 2006 Bahrain GP. The CA2006 Series 6 was capable of completing more than a third of a race distance at 20,000RPM - a record unequalled to this day."
So if the engine reliability issue changes to an engine lasting even more races then this could be the bad boy to have in your car.
"Cosworth's tradition of success in Formula One began when its DFV engine won first time out in 1967. It was the first F1 engine to be designed to function as a fully stressed element of the chassis, enabling the sport's most innovative engineers to repackage their cars and find considerable performance improvements; this philosophy was swiftly copied and remains at the core of F1 design. The CA2006 Cosworth Formula One engine was raced by the WilliamsF1 team throughout the 2006 season. It was competitive from the outset and achieved a Formula One landmark of 20,000RPM during qualifying for its race debut at the 2006 Bahrain GP. The CA2006 Series 6 was capable of completing more than a third of a race distance at 20,000RPM - a record unequalled to this day."
So if the engine reliability issue changes to an engine lasting even more races then this could be the bad boy to have in your car.
What I have not heard from anywhere is what criteria the FIA used to select these three. If F1 is about the best teams, they should have been selected on merit but what chance did they have to prove their worth?
And why only three teams. A grand prix circuit can easily hold twenty six cars, most more why limit the size of the entry, especially when there are clearly more teams willing and able to throw their hats in.
And why only three teams. A grand prix circuit can easily hold twenty six cars, most more why limit the size of the entry, especially when there are clearly more teams willing and able to throw their hats in.
Just how much assistance are the bigger teams allowed to give these new guys?. For example could they sell the smaller teams 2009 spec chassis with engine?. This would give the smaller teams a base with which to build their own car, they could redesign all the aero parts, the suspension, set up etc... got to be far cheaper than building a car from scratch?. Obviously Mclaren wouldn't be supplying their chassis but the likes of Brawn could make some decent money from it and im sure a slightly breathed on 09 brawn car would still be competitive in 2010.
profstoff said:
What I have not heard from anywhere is what criteria the FIA used to select these three. If F1 is about the best teams, they should have been selected on merit but what chance did they have to prove their worth?
And why only three teams. A grand prix circuit can easily hold twenty six cars, most more why limit the size of the entry, especially when there are clearly more teams willing and able to throw their hats in.
The current Concord agreement says 12 teams only I think, until they all sign a new one it's three new teams only. And why only three teams. A grand prix circuit can easily hold twenty six cars, most more why limit the size of the entry, especially when there are clearly more teams willing and able to throw their hats in.
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