Max's machinations, continued
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From this morning's Pitpass:
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.p...
The gist of the article is that on 11th June, one day before their formal applications were due, the prospective new entrants were informed by the FIA that they would not be even considered unless they were to commit to running the Cosworth engine for the next three years. This stipulation had not been made before, and several of the new applicants had based the feasibility of their finished proposals on using a Renault, Ferrari or Mercedes engine.
No one should think, however, that Mosley was trying to undermine the big teams, because he's not that kind of guy.
Although it doesn't mention it in the article I believe the teams have been "requested" to use the consortium package that was put together last year (?) at MM's request. The consortium is Cosworth, Ricardo and X-Trac, and provides a complete drive train and technical support. At least one of the new teams (and I will leave it to your imagination to deduce which), was made aware of this "requirement" sometime ago.
But does it really surprise anyone ?
But does it really surprise anyone ?
Edited by nc107 on Monday 6th July 11:02
The FIA admitted that their motivation was to reduce the influence of the manufacturers. Mosley can say (is saying) that when the teams were selected, he was trying to defend the sport from FOTA's breakaway, as new team selection and the breakaway announcement occurred around the same time.
The article is saying that the since FOTA and the FIA reconciled, it seems the threat is gone and the teams should be re-selected, as the environment is significantly different. The real controversy will happen from here on, and whether the FIA resist re-opening the application process. Here we go again.
The article is saying that the since FOTA and the FIA reconciled, it seems the threat is gone and the teams should be re-selected, as the environment is significantly different. The real controversy will happen from here on, and whether the FIA resist re-opening the application process. Here we go again.
35secToNuvolari said:
The FIA admitted that their motivation was to reduce the influence of the manufacturers. Mosley can say (is saying) that when the teams were selected, he was trying to defend the sport from FOTA's breakaway, as new team selection and the breakaway announcement occurred around the same time.
Which would be why they did not bother to inform (at least some of) the new applicants until one day before the deadline? Sure, Max. flemke said:
nc107 said:
At least one of the new teams (and I will leave it to your imagination to deduce which), was made aware of this "requirement" sometime ago.
To what Manor of bias might you be alluding?
What got me about this was that on reading the article in the Telegraph online http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/tr... the thought that went through my mind was: How is mosley going to explain this?
Then towards the end I found out.
An FIA spokesman said that the availability of an independent supply of engines to the new teams was a "priority" and he explained that without this, "the whole grid would be at the mercy of the car industry and no new team would be able to enter without their permission".
So, it would seem, he explained it by saying: Yes. The dice were loaded. I loaded them.
While there were rumours that this was the criterium most important to Mosley in the applications it is nice to have one's prejudices confirmed.
Is 'unbelievable' the adjective I'm looking for? Unbelievably it is not.
Then towards the end I found out.
An FIA spokesman said that the availability of an independent supply of engines to the new teams was a "priority" and he explained that without this, "the whole grid would be at the mercy of the car industry and no new team would be able to enter without their permission".
So, it would seem, he explained it by saying: Yes. The dice were loaded. I loaded them.
While there were rumours that this was the criterium most important to Mosley in the applications it is nice to have one's prejudices confirmed.
Is 'unbelievable' the adjective I'm looking for? Unbelievably it is not.
Derek Smith said:
What got me about this was that on reading the article in the Telegraph online http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/tr... the thought that went through my mind was: How is mosley going to explain this?
Then towards the end I found out.
An FIA spokesman said that the availability of an independent supply of engines to the new teams was a "priority" and he explained that without this, "the whole grid would be at the mercy of the car industry and no new team would be able to enter without their permission".
Right.Then towards the end I found out.
An FIA spokesman said that the availability of an independent supply of engines to the new teams was a "priority" and he explained that without this, "the whole grid would be at the mercy of the car industry and no new team would be able to enter without their permission".
People like David Richards and Martin Birrane are just babes-in-the-woods who are too inexperienced and naive to recognise potential vulnerability to a supplier and protect themselves against it. Good thing they have Uncle Max looking out for their interests.
And then there was Williams, er, I mean, the "Williams/Toyota" car, and that Force India, or maybe it was that "Force India/Mercedes" car. Were they told, on one day's notice, that they had to commit to Cosworth?
Come to think of it, the other "applications" that the FIA accepted, from Ferrari and Red Bull: were they contingent on using Cosworth power as well?
flemke said:
nc107 said:
At least one of the new teams (and I will leave it to your imagination to deduce which), was made aware of this "requirement" sometime ago.
To what Manor of bias might you be alluding?flemke said:
Derek Smith said:
What got me about this was that on reading the article in the Telegraph online http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/tr... the thought that went through my mind was: How is mosley going to explain this?
Then towards the end I found out.
An FIA spokesman said that the availability of an independent supply of engines to the new teams was a "priority" and he explained that without this, "the whole grid would be at the mercy of the car industry and no new team would be able to enter without their permission".
Right.Then towards the end I found out.
An FIA spokesman said that the availability of an independent supply of engines to the new teams was a "priority" and he explained that without this, "the whole grid would be at the mercy of the car industry and no new team would be able to enter without their permission".
People like David Richards and Martin Birrane are just babes-in-the-woods who are too inexperienced and naive to recognise potential vulnerability to a supplier and protect themselves against it. Good thing they have Uncle Max looking out for their interests.
And then there was Williams, er, I mean, the "Williams/Toyota" car, and that Force India, or maybe it was that "Force India/Mercedes" car. Were they told, on one day's notice, that they had to commit to Cosworth?
Come to think of it, the other "applications" that the FIA accepted, from Ferrari and Red Bull: were they contingent on using Cosworth power as well?
If true, and it doesn't seem to be being denied, this would surely constitute a constraint of trade and therefore be illegal under EU law. With the FIA being based in the EU there should be an investigation into this.
Of course, a team could have said they were going to use Cosworth power and then nto accept the deal offered and go elsewhere, but what would maxy have done about that?
Sounds like corruption of a high order to me.
Of course, a team could have said they were going to use Cosworth power and then nto accept the deal offered and go elsewhere, but what would maxy have done about that?
Sounds like corruption of a high order to me.
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