Alonso's character
Discussion
Interesting to see some of Alonso's behavior over the past couple of races.
1) When asked in singapore if he still felt last year's win was legitimate despite Renault not contesting the cheating allegations, he said "yes, absolutely"
2) When iterviewed today he claimed to have backed of for the yellows during the Q2 incident. Clearly not true.
3) When passing Coultard and co on his way to the grid, saying "this weekend is not important"
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
1) When asked in singapore if he still felt last year's win was legitimate despite Renault not contesting the cheating allegations, he said "yes, absolutely"
2) When iterviewed today he claimed to have backed of for the yellows during the Q2 incident. Clearly not true.
3) When passing Coultard and co on his way to the grid, saying "this weekend is not important"
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
robbom3 said:
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
Agreed, 1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
He's a cheating, self important smug c
of the highest order. He'll fit in well at Ferrari Im sure
robbom3 said:
Interesting to see some of Alonso's behavior over the past couple of races.
1) When asked in singapore if he still felt last year's win was legitimate despite Renault not contesting the cheating allegations, he said "yes, absolutely"
2) When iterviewed today he claimed to have backed of for the yellows during the Q2 incident. Clearly not true.
3) When passing Coultard and co on his way to the grid, saying "this weekend is not important"
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
He still had to do the work to win the race last year, if someone benefits the same way from a "genuine" accident then surely they're win is unearned too.1) When asked in singapore if he still felt last year's win was legitimate despite Renault not contesting the cheating allegations, he said "yes, absolutely"
2) When iterviewed today he claimed to have backed of for the yellows during the Q2 incident. Clearly not true.
3) When passing Coultard and co on his way to the grid, saying "this weekend is not important"
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
It looked like he backed off a little to me on the footage, just not enough for the stewards liking(same as the other two)
He was fairly relaxed before the race for sure, but he was still motivated enough to finish ahead of superior cars in the race(which I'm sure his team appreciate)
stephen300o said:
robbom3 said:
Interesting to see some of Alonso's behavior over the past couple of races.
1) When asked in singapore if he still felt last year's win was legitimate despite Renault not contesting the cheating allegations, he said "yes, absolutely"
2) When iterviewed today he claimed to have backed of for the yellows during the Q2 incident. Clearly not true.
3) When passing Coultard and co on his way to the grid, saying "this weekend is not important"
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
He still had to do the work to win the race last year, if someone benefits the same way from a "genuine" accident then surely they're win is unearned too.1) When asked in singapore if he still felt last year's win was legitimate despite Renault not contesting the cheating allegations, he said "yes, absolutely"
2) When iterviewed today he claimed to have backed of for the yellows during the Q2 incident. Clearly not true.
3) When passing Coultard and co on his way to the grid, saying "this weekend is not important"
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
It looked like he backed off a little to me on the footage, just not enough for the stewards liking(same as the other two)
He was fairly relaxed before the race for sure, but he was still motivated enough to finish ahead of superior cars in the race(which I'm sure his team appreciate)
stephen300o said:
robbom3 said:
Interesting to see some of Alonso's behavior over the past couple of races.
1) When asked in singapore if he still felt last year's win was legitimate despite Renault not contesting the cheating allegations, he said "yes, absolutely"
2) When iterviewed today he claimed to have backed of for the yellows during the Q2 incident. Clearly not true.
3) When passing Coultard and co on his way to the grid, saying "this weekend is not important"
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
He still had to do the work to win the race last year, if someone benefits the same way from a "genuine" accident then surely they're win is unearned too.1) When asked in singapore if he still felt last year's win was legitimate despite Renault not contesting the cheating allegations, he said "yes, absolutely"
2) When iterviewed today he claimed to have backed of for the yellows during the Q2 incident. Clearly not true.
3) When passing Coultard and co on his way to the grid, saying "this weekend is not important"
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
It looked like he backed off a little to me on the footage, just not enough for the stewards liking(same as the other two)
He was fairly relaxed before the race for sure, but he was still motivated enough to finish ahead of superior cars in the race(which I'm sure his team appreciate)
robbom3 said:
2) When iterviewed today he claimed to have backed of for the yellows during the Q2 incident. Clearly not true.
Not sure where you got this from. The charge was not lifting "sufficiently" under yellows.Alonso seemed to lift in the video footage. His problem was that:
1. He passed Buemi under yellows.
2. He didn't lift enough.
Button and Barrichello didn't lift at all, according to Ross Brawn.
Edited by Jungles on Sunday 4th October 12:26
Rollcage said:
stephen300o said:
robbom3 said:
Interesting to see some of Alonso's behavior over the past couple of races.
1) When asked in singapore if he still felt last year's win was legitimate despite Renault not contesting the cheating allegations, he said "yes, absolutely"
2) When iterviewed today he claimed to have backed of for the yellows during the Q2 incident. Clearly not true.
3) When passing Coultard and co on his way to the grid, saying "this weekend is not important"
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
He still had to do the work to win the race last year, if someone benefits the same way from a "genuine" accident then surely they're win is unearned too.1) When asked in singapore if he still felt last year's win was legitimate despite Renault not contesting the cheating allegations, he said "yes, absolutely"
2) When iterviewed today he claimed to have backed of for the yellows during the Q2 incident. Clearly not true.
3) When passing Coultard and co on his way to the grid, saying "this weekend is not important"
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
It looked like he backed off a little to me on the footage, just not enough for the stewards liking(same as the other two)
He was fairly relaxed before the race for sure, but he was still motivated enough to finish ahead of superior cars in the race(which I'm sure his team appreciate)
There is a whiff of pessimism here sometimes.
(sorry I took you breath away)
A911DOM said:
robbom3 said:
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
Agreed, 1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
He's a cheating, self important smug c
of the highest order. He'll fit in well at Ferrari Im sure
. Don't recall them being from Italy! stephen300o said:
Rollcage said:
stephen300o said:
robbom3 said:
Interesting to see some of Alonso's behavior over the past couple of races.
1) When asked in singapore if he still felt last year's win was legitimate despite Renault not contesting the cheating allegations, he said "yes, absolutely"
2) When iterviewed today he claimed to have backed of for the yellows during the Q2 incident. Clearly not true.
3) When passing Coultard and co on his way to the grid, saying "this weekend is not important"
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
He still had to do the work to win the race last year, if someone benefits the same way from a "genuine" accident then surely they're win is unearned too.1) When asked in singapore if he still felt last year's win was legitimate despite Renault not contesting the cheating allegations, he said "yes, absolutely"
2) When iterviewed today he claimed to have backed of for the yellows during the Q2 incident. Clearly not true.
3) When passing Coultard and co on his way to the grid, saying "this weekend is not important"
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
It looked like he backed off a little to me on the footage, just not enough for the stewards liking(same as the other two)
He was fairly relaxed before the race for sure, but he was still motivated enough to finish ahead of superior cars in the race(which I'm sure his team appreciate)
There is a whiff of pessimism here sometimes.
(sorry I took you breath away)
Alonso didnt need to know about it (and it is a moot point) - key members of the team cheated to gain him an advantage. He would not have been able to win ,all other things being equal, without their assistance. Pitting first wasn't the key - the safety car was.
4rephill said:
A911DOM said:
robbom3 said:
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
Agreed, 1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
He's a cheating, self important smug c
of the highest order. He'll fit in well at Ferrari Im sure
. Don't recall them being from Italy! 
james_gt3rs said:
4rephill said:
A911DOM said:
robbom3 said:
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
Agreed, 1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
He's a cheating, self important smug c
of the highest order. He'll fit in well at Ferrari Im sure
. Don't recall them being from Italy! 
Anyway, old news - As you were
A911DOM said:
james_gt3rs said:
4rephill said:
A911DOM said:
robbom3 said:
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
Agreed, 1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
He's a cheating, self important smug c
of the highest order. He'll fit in well at Ferrari Im sure
. Don't recall them being from Italy! Anyway, old news - As you were
robbom3 said:
Interesting to see some of Alonso's behavior over the past couple of races.
1) When asked in singapore if he still felt last year's win was legitimate despite Renault not contesting the cheating allegations, he said "yes, absolutely"
2) When iterviewed today he claimed to have backed of for the yellows during the Q2 incident. Clearly not true.
3) When passing Coultard and co on his way to the grid, saying "this weekend is not important"
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
What utter drivel.1) When asked in singapore if he still felt last year's win was legitimate despite Renault not contesting the cheating allegations, he said "yes, absolutely"
2) When iterviewed today he claimed to have backed of for the yellows during the Q2 incident. Clearly not true.
3) When passing Coultard and co on his way to the grid, saying "this weekend is not important"
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
1. Of course he is happy to benefit from either cheating or (mis)fortune elsewhere. HE IS A RACING DRIVER! Its pretty much part of the Goddam resume.
2. Well duh. Arent you? I am. At some point I lie everyday. Im completely and utterly comfortable doing it. Every married/attached bloke and every employed bloke Ive ever known has been perfectly happy to lie to their partners and bosses over various things.
3. Why should this weekend have been considered important? What was special about it?
DJC said:
robbom3 said:
Interesting to see some of Alonso's behavior over the past couple of races.
1) When asked in singapore if he still felt last year's win was legitimate despite Renault not contesting the cheating allegations, he said "yes, absolutely"
2) When iterviewed today he claimed to have backed of for the yellows during the Q2 incident. Clearly not true.
3) When passing Coultard and co on his way to the grid, saying "this weekend is not important"
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
What utter drivel.1) When asked in singapore if he still felt last year's win was legitimate despite Renault not contesting the cheating allegations, he said "yes, absolutely"
2) When iterviewed today he claimed to have backed of for the yellows during the Q2 incident. Clearly not true.
3) When passing Coultard and co on his way to the grid, saying "this weekend is not important"
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
1. Of course he is happy to benefit from either cheating or (mis)fortune elsewhere. HE IS A RACING DRIVER! Its pretty much part of the Goddam resume.
2. Well duh. Arent you? I am. At some point I lie everyday. Im completely and utterly comfortable doing it. Every married/attached bloke and every employed bloke Ive ever known has been perfectly happy to lie to their partners and bosses over various things.
3. Why should this weekend have been considered important? What was special about it?
sirtyro said:
DJC said:
robbom3 said:
Interesting to see some of Alonso's behavior over the past couple of races.
1) When asked in singapore if he still felt last year's win was legitimate despite Renault not contesting the cheating allegations, he said "yes, absolutely"
2) When iterviewed today he claimed to have backed of for the yellows during the Q2 incident. Clearly not true.
3) When passing Coultard and co on his way to the grid, saying "this weekend is not important"
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
What utter drivel.1) When asked in singapore if he still felt last year's win was legitimate despite Renault not contesting the cheating allegations, he said "yes, absolutely"
2) When iterviewed today he claimed to have backed of for the yellows during the Q2 incident. Clearly not true.
3) When passing Coultard and co on his way to the grid, saying "this weekend is not important"
This suggests to me :
1) He's happy to benefit from cheating.
2) He's completely comfortable lying.
3) He doesn't give a stuff about anyone (including his own team), except himself. I wonder if the rest of the Renault team considered this weekend unimportant ?
Thoughts ??
1. Of course he is happy to benefit from either cheating or (mis)fortune elsewhere. HE IS A RACING DRIVER! Its pretty much part of the Goddam resume.
2. Well duh. Arent you? I am. At some point I lie everyday. Im completely and utterly comfortable doing it. Every married/attached bloke and every employed bloke Ive ever known has been perfectly happy to lie to their partners and bosses over various things.
3. Why should this weekend have been considered important? What was special about it?
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