Mosley won't let it lie, will he?
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This poisonous man should disappear from public life in the hope that he might gain some dignity. But no, he can't help but let his hatred of Ron Dennis lead him into making even more of a fool of himself:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80555
It's over Max. Get over it.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80555
It's over Max. Get over it.
Mad Max said:
"The only safe thing would have been to exclude them from 2007 immediately and also from the 2008 championship. But with little or no income for 18 months and over 1,000 employees, their situation would have been dire. A ban would also have destroyed the great championship battle which was going on between Lewis Hamilton and Kimi Raikkonen."
Fair point Max, perhaps you've got a heart after all.Mad Max said:
"I was for a ban."
Maybe not. Glad that Max was prepared to let his personal vendetta against Ron destroy the careers and livelihoods of over 1,000 people.“Former FIA president Max Mosley says the fact that his preferred option of banning McLaren for 2007's 'spygate' scandal was not accepted disproves accusations that his leadership was dictatorial or autocratic.”
It proves nothing of the sort. It shows that his ability to bulldoze his ideas through was on the wane. Exclude the most successful team in many ways from the championship for what was, in fact, a minor case of cheating must have bewildered all those not in on his plans. The real offendes were Ferrari employee Stepney, McLaren employee Coughlan and the two drivers.
“. . . Mosley recounts the . . . abortive FOTA breakaway earlier this year . . .”
There is little doubt that the intent of FOTA was to dump Mosley and in that it was 100% successful. Many felt that there was little prospect of the teams starting their own championship. All they wanted was the removal of the biggest obstacle to a successful F1 series. And guess what? They did just that.
"Armed secretly with the entire intellectual property of their main rivals, not to mention a flow of additional information from Nigel Stepney, their 'mole' inside Ferrari, McLaren had clearly enjoyed a massive but wholly illegitimate advantage,"
This is an absolute travesty of what McLaren actually had. Stepney was nobody’s ‘mole’ but his own. He did not work for McLaren and, by Mosley’s own admission at the time, McLaren had just dregs of info. Mosley must have forgotten he was forced into a humiliating climbdown by having to admit that Dennis and McLaren were not aware of the connection between Stepney and the cheating drivers of PDL Rosa and some other bloke. In fact, it seems unusual that the photo opportunity of Mosley, a step below Dennis, shaking his hand in apology – not even inside the Woking HQ but on the steps outside - is not embedded in his chest. I won’t forget it Mosley.
“But with little or no income for 18 months and over 1,000 employees, their situation would have been dire.”
Shame he didn’t think of the employees when he was pushing his terrible idea of stock car racing for F1.
“So when Formula 1 confronted a real problem just over a year later . . .”
Although, of course, the teams had put their ideas forward some time before.
“[The] revelations about my private life, notwithstanding a big vote of confidence by the FIA and successful litigation against the newspaper responsible.”
The ‘vote of confidence’ was not such thing. He got a simple majority which is not a vote of confidence. It was revealed later that the majority of his votes were down to one person. One could put more detail on that arrangement . . .
And as for Eady’s decision. Well! He must be amongst the most criticised of judges. His decision was that there was no Nazi suggestion in the charade of death camps, prison uniforms, quotes about Aryans, German language and such. And we must, of course, believe him. Oh, and the examination for lice.
“Mosley's belief that a budget cap regulation and encouraging new teams independent of the car manufacturers was the best way for F1 to survive the economic crisis put him at odds with FOTA earlier this year, and led to threats of a split in the sport. ‘Doing nothing and hoping for the best is seldom the best way to meet imminent danger’”
FOTA pushed for a budget cap before Mosley. Further, and this is the real criticism of that little man, he had systematically put up the cost of competing for the teams over recent years. McLaren complained about the rising costs two years before FOTA asked for lower costs.
“FOTA told the world this was 'dictatorship'. It was cited as an example of my 'autocratic' style. No doubt they would have preferred us to do nothing so that they remained in a powerful position as the only teams in Formula 1.”
FOTA pushed for change. They got it. Mosley’s stock car racing idea would have brought F1 to the level of WRC, WSC, WTC and just about everything else Mosley was in charge of.
“the refusal of the FOTA teams to discuss rules for cost reduction and their inability to provide guarantees of participation, it is difficult to see what else we could have done.”
He could, of course, have opted for FOTA’s price reduction plan.
“Mosley decided not to stand for re-election this autumn . . .”
Wow! Now that is in interesting view on why he could not go for re-election. He decided, did he? Must have missed that.
Journalism in this country is at a dreadful level. It is embarrassing. No wonder the papers are struggling to keep going. What is the point of reading such rubbish?
It proves nothing of the sort. It shows that his ability to bulldoze his ideas through was on the wane. Exclude the most successful team in many ways from the championship for what was, in fact, a minor case of cheating must have bewildered all those not in on his plans. The real offendes were Ferrari employee Stepney, McLaren employee Coughlan and the two drivers.
“. . . Mosley recounts the . . . abortive FOTA breakaway earlier this year . . .”
There is little doubt that the intent of FOTA was to dump Mosley and in that it was 100% successful. Many felt that there was little prospect of the teams starting their own championship. All they wanted was the removal of the biggest obstacle to a successful F1 series. And guess what? They did just that.
"Armed secretly with the entire intellectual property of their main rivals, not to mention a flow of additional information from Nigel Stepney, their 'mole' inside Ferrari, McLaren had clearly enjoyed a massive but wholly illegitimate advantage,"
This is an absolute travesty of what McLaren actually had. Stepney was nobody’s ‘mole’ but his own. He did not work for McLaren and, by Mosley’s own admission at the time, McLaren had just dregs of info. Mosley must have forgotten he was forced into a humiliating climbdown by having to admit that Dennis and McLaren were not aware of the connection between Stepney and the cheating drivers of PDL Rosa and some other bloke. In fact, it seems unusual that the photo opportunity of Mosley, a step below Dennis, shaking his hand in apology – not even inside the Woking HQ but on the steps outside - is not embedded in his chest. I won’t forget it Mosley.
“But with little or no income for 18 months and over 1,000 employees, their situation would have been dire.”
Shame he didn’t think of the employees when he was pushing his terrible idea of stock car racing for F1.
“So when Formula 1 confronted a real problem just over a year later . . .”
Although, of course, the teams had put their ideas forward some time before.
“[The] revelations about my private life, notwithstanding a big vote of confidence by the FIA and successful litigation against the newspaper responsible.”
The ‘vote of confidence’ was not such thing. He got a simple majority which is not a vote of confidence. It was revealed later that the majority of his votes were down to one person. One could put more detail on that arrangement . . .
And as for Eady’s decision. Well! He must be amongst the most criticised of judges. His decision was that there was no Nazi suggestion in the charade of death camps, prison uniforms, quotes about Aryans, German language and such. And we must, of course, believe him. Oh, and the examination for lice.
“Mosley's belief that a budget cap regulation and encouraging new teams independent of the car manufacturers was the best way for F1 to survive the economic crisis put him at odds with FOTA earlier this year, and led to threats of a split in the sport. ‘Doing nothing and hoping for the best is seldom the best way to meet imminent danger’”
FOTA pushed for a budget cap before Mosley. Further, and this is the real criticism of that little man, he had systematically put up the cost of competing for the teams over recent years. McLaren complained about the rising costs two years before FOTA asked for lower costs.
“FOTA told the world this was 'dictatorship'. It was cited as an example of my 'autocratic' style. No doubt they would have preferred us to do nothing so that they remained in a powerful position as the only teams in Formula 1.”
FOTA pushed for change. They got it. Mosley’s stock car racing idea would have brought F1 to the level of WRC, WSC, WTC and just about everything else Mosley was in charge of.
“the refusal of the FOTA teams to discuss rules for cost reduction and their inability to provide guarantees of participation, it is difficult to see what else we could have done.”
He could, of course, have opted for FOTA’s price reduction plan.
“Mosley decided not to stand for re-election this autumn . . .”
Wow! Now that is in interesting view on why he could not go for re-election. He decided, did he? Must have missed that.
Journalism in this country is at a dreadful level. It is embarrassing. No wonder the papers are struggling to keep going. What is the point of reading such rubbish?
Note that this latest risible polemic was published by Sunday Telegraph, the same esteemed journal that gave Mosley four pages - including 2/3 of the front page - of sympathetic coverage after the revelations of his antics that had no Nazi connotations (that would be according to Justice Eady, who as it happens does not speak for the rest of us).
"Armed secretly with the entire intellectual property of their main rivals, not to mention a flow of additional information from Nigel Stepney, their 'mole' inside Ferrari, McLaren had clearly enjoyed a massive but wholly illegitimate advantage,"
Really Max? Then what does the bizarre deal you struck with Ferrari, giving them a veto over any technical rule changes, a deal the other teams only just found out about because you shot your mouth off, give that team?
I didn't read past the first para of the article, the man is the past and I'm looking to the future now, just like the rest of motorsport that wants to flourish is!
Really Max? Then what does the bizarre deal you struck with Ferrari, giving them a veto over any technical rule changes, a deal the other teams only just found out about because you shot your mouth off, give that team?
I didn't read past the first para of the article, the man is the past and I'm looking to the future now, just like the rest of motorsport that wants to flourish is!
johnfelstead said:
Really Max? Then what does the bizarre deal you struck with Ferrari, giving them a veto over any technical rule changes, a deal the other teams only just found out about because you shot your mouth off, give that team?
John, although I yield to no man in my loathing of the two-legged cockroach who is now a member of the FIA Senate, I don't believe that the Ferrari technical veto was secret within the teams. When Ferrari cut its backroom deal with the FIA and FOA, and received the $100m signing bonus, which I believe was in '05, the Ferrari technical veto was made pubic then.
If it had been in the previous, extant CA of '98, and I believe it was, then the other entrants would have known about it then. They have known for many years that Ferrari got its own special slice of the cake before it was then subdivided into shares for all the entrants including another slice for Ferrari.
The technical veto got a lot of attention this year when Ferrari tried to use it to break the '05 CA, but I believe that the intense media reaction to it was simply because they had all forgotten that this had been revealed earlier, not because it was an actual secret.
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