Why can't F1 be about the speed and the racing?
Discussion
High speeds and good racing can often be and oxymoron.
If you want to see wheel to wheel racing, and action, then you should book the TV and Sofa every other Sunday in the summer to follow the BTCC and its support Formulae. 2009 was a great season!
Engineering, or orchastrating, exciting racing into top level prototype aero-equipped single seaters is a big ask. Some of the new silly rules are a little pointless IMO, as we all want to see drivers racing cars to victory ... We dont want to see chess players with earphones and clip boards choreographing the victories, or engineers in lab coats deciding a championship from day one with a massive advantage over other teams.
JB proved last season in Brazil, that there is more than enough scope in the current cars to be able to DRIVE them, and most importantly RACE them!
If you want to see wheel to wheel racing, and action, then you should book the TV and Sofa every other Sunday in the summer to follow the BTCC and its support Formulae. 2009 was a great season!
Engineering, or orchastrating, exciting racing into top level prototype aero-equipped single seaters is a big ask. Some of the new silly rules are a little pointless IMO, as we all want to see drivers racing cars to victory ... We dont want to see chess players with earphones and clip boards choreographing the victories, or engineers in lab coats deciding a championship from day one with a massive advantage over other teams.
JB proved last season in Brazil, that there is more than enough scope in the current cars to be able to DRIVE them, and most importantly RACE them!
it should be about drivers and who has the biggest gonads...
ergo, give them 1,500Bhp and the same wings/tyres they now have, then you would see who the best drivers are and some real overtaking.
so what if a few of them fall off? with current cct's there is sod all to hit these days (comparatively)
ergo, give them 1,500Bhp and the same wings/tyres they now have, then you would see who the best drivers are and some real overtaking.
so what if a few of them fall off? with current cct's there is sod all to hit these days (comparatively)
mat205125 said:
High speeds and good racing can often be and oxymoron.
If you want to see wheel to wheel racing, and action, then you should book the TV and Sofa every other Sunday in the summer to follow the BTCC and its support Formulae. 2009 was a great season!
Engineering, or orchastrating, exciting racing into top level prototype aero-equipped single seaters is a big ask. Some of the new silly rules are a little pointless IMO, as we all want to see drivers racing cars to victory ... We dont want to see chess players with earphones and clip boards choreographing the victories, or engineers in lab coats deciding a championship from day one with a massive advantage over other teams.
JB proved last season in Brazil, that there is more than enough scope in the current cars to be able to DRIVE them, and most importantly RACE them!
I'd rather watch one team genuinely dominate through some engineer's great idea than the recent rubbish of winning races in courtrooms or artificially engineering a final race showdown through penalties.If you want to see wheel to wheel racing, and action, then you should book the TV and Sofa every other Sunday in the summer to follow the BTCC and its support Formulae. 2009 was a great season!
Engineering, or orchastrating, exciting racing into top level prototype aero-equipped single seaters is a big ask. Some of the new silly rules are a little pointless IMO, as we all want to see drivers racing cars to victory ... We dont want to see chess players with earphones and clip boards choreographing the victories, or engineers in lab coats deciding a championship from day one with a massive advantage over other teams.
JB proved last season in Brazil, that there is more than enough scope in the current cars to be able to DRIVE them, and most importantly RACE them!
Edited by Alfanatic on Wednesday 3rd February 21:25
Alfanatic said:
mat205125 said:
High speeds and good racing can often be and oxymoron.
If you want to see wheel to wheel racing, and action, then you should book the TV and Sofa every other Sunday in the summer to follow the BTCC and its support Formulae. 2009 was a great season!
Engineering, or orchastrating, exciting racing into top level prototype aero-equipped single seaters is a big ask. Some of the new silly rules are a little pointless IMO, as we all want to see drivers racing cars to victory ... We dont want to see chess players with earphones and clip boards choreographing the victories, or engineers in lab coats deciding a championship from day one with a massive advantage over other teams.
JB proved last season in Brazil, that there is more than enough scope in the current cars to be able to DRIVE them, and most importantly RACE them!
I'd rather watch one team genuinely dominate through some engineer's great idea than the recent rubbish of winning races in courtrooms or artificially engineering a final race showdown through penalties.If you want to see wheel to wheel racing, and action, then you should book the TV and Sofa every other Sunday in the summer to follow the BTCC and its support Formulae. 2009 was a great season!
Engineering, or orchastrating, exciting racing into top level prototype aero-equipped single seaters is a big ask. Some of the new silly rules are a little pointless IMO, as we all want to see drivers racing cars to victory ... We dont want to see chess players with earphones and clip boards choreographing the victories, or engineers in lab coats deciding a championship from day one with a massive advantage over other teams.
JB proved last season in Brazil, that there is more than enough scope in the current cars to be able to DRIVE them, and most importantly RACE them!
Edited by Alfanatic on Wednesday 3rd February 21:25
Wayne King said:
Alfanatic said:
mat205125 said:
High speeds and good racing can often be and oxymoron.
If you want to see wheel to wheel racing, and action, then you should book the TV and Sofa every other Sunday in the summer to follow the BTCC and its support Formulae. 2009 was a great season!
Engineering, or orchastrating, exciting racing into top level prototype aero-equipped single seaters is a big ask. Some of the new silly rules are a little pointless IMO, as we all want to see drivers racing cars to victory ... We dont want to see chess players with earphones and clip boards choreographing the victories, or engineers in lab coats deciding a championship from day one with a massive advantage over other teams.
JB proved last season in Brazil, that there is more than enough scope in the current cars to be able to DRIVE them, and most importantly RACE them!
I'd rather watch one team genuinely dominate through some engineer's great idea than the recent rubbish of winning races in courtrooms or artificially engineering a final race showdown through penalties.If you want to see wheel to wheel racing, and action, then you should book the TV and Sofa every other Sunday in the summer to follow the BTCC and its support Formulae. 2009 was a great season!
Engineering, or orchastrating, exciting racing into top level prototype aero-equipped single seaters is a big ask. Some of the new silly rules are a little pointless IMO, as we all want to see drivers racing cars to victory ... We dont want to see chess players with earphones and clip boards choreographing the victories, or engineers in lab coats deciding a championship from day one with a massive advantage over other teams.
JB proved last season in Brazil, that there is more than enough scope in the current cars to be able to DRIVE them, and most importantly RACE them!
Edited by Alfanatic on Wednesday 3rd February 21:25
Alfanatic said:
mat205125 said:
High speeds and good racing can often be and oxymoron.
If you want to see wheel to wheel racing, and action, then you should book the TV and Sofa every other Sunday in the summer to follow the BTCC and its support Formulae. 2009 was a great season!
Engineering, or orchastrating, exciting racing into top level prototype aero-equipped single seaters is a big ask. Some of the new silly rules are a little pointless IMO, as we all want to see drivers racing cars to victory ... We dont want to see chess players with earphones and clip boards choreographing the victories, or engineers in lab coats deciding a championship from day one with a massive advantage over other teams.
JB proved last season in Brazil, that there is more than enough scope in the current cars to be able to DRIVE them, and most importantly RACE them!
I'd rather watch one team genuinely dominate through some engineer's great idea than the recent rubbish of winning races in courtrooms or artificially engineering a final race showdown through penalties.If you want to see wheel to wheel racing, and action, then you should book the TV and Sofa every other Sunday in the summer to follow the BTCC and its support Formulae. 2009 was a great season!
Engineering, or orchastrating, exciting racing into top level prototype aero-equipped single seaters is a big ask. Some of the new silly rules are a little pointless IMO, as we all want to see drivers racing cars to victory ... We dont want to see chess players with earphones and clip boards choreographing the victories, or engineers in lab coats deciding a championship from day one with a massive advantage over other teams.
JB proved last season in Brazil, that there is more than enough scope in the current cars to be able to DRIVE them, and most importantly RACE them!
Edited by Alfanatic on Wednesday 3rd February 21:25
There does seem to be a mindset in the FIA to "enforce" competitiveness through regulation, rather than fostering competition between teams / manufacturers. Can you imagine Colin Chapman's reaction to being told to use (x) engine configuration in (y) chassis restrictions for no more than (z) weight? He'd have walked into Moseley's office and decked the
!Scuffers said:
so what if a few of them fall off? with current cct's there is sod all to hit these days (comparatively)
I think Timo Glock might take issue with that ascertion!I was watching some footage of the 1978 and 1979 GP seasons a couple of months ago. It was amazing seeing cars side by side and sliding around. I am not a luddite, nor endowed with rose-tinted specatcles, but it'd be great to really see the drivers working again. When you watch footage of Gilles and Ronnie, you really know you're watching something special, but these days I struggle to tell one driver from another...
Power corrupts.. with a dose of health and safety executive.
Bottom line. The sport has gone soft and in the most part a corporate showcase for overpaid pansies to prance around doing a self promotion of their own existence.
Half of the 'corporate entertained' couldn't give two hoots on close racing rather than being lavished in luxuary and having a 'jolly nice day out'.
F1 WAS for the most part exciting to watch. The racing was often wheel to wheel but sadly memories fade to just how good it really was. Rose coloured specs? Sadly no. After re-watching far too many earlier GP's that's not the case.
F1 has become about intricate Aero and effectively too safe. The cars have more grip than power so the likes of Eau Rouge at Spa can be taken flat out. And that's one of the very few remaining 'classic' tracks that have a degree of character to them.
In this health and safety obsessed time we live in, giving cars huge HP and more than a marginal risk of serious injury just won't happen which, though completely politically incorrect, I think is a bad thing. The best of the best has always involved risk.
Bottom line. The sport has gone soft and in the most part a corporate showcase for overpaid pansies to prance around doing a self promotion of their own existence.
Half of the 'corporate entertained' couldn't give two hoots on close racing rather than being lavished in luxuary and having a 'jolly nice day out'.
F1 WAS for the most part exciting to watch. The racing was often wheel to wheel but sadly memories fade to just how good it really was. Rose coloured specs? Sadly no. After re-watching far too many earlier GP's that's not the case.
F1 has become about intricate Aero and effectively too safe. The cars have more grip than power so the likes of Eau Rouge at Spa can be taken flat out. And that's one of the very few remaining 'classic' tracks that have a degree of character to them.
In this health and safety obsessed time we live in, giving cars huge HP and more than a marginal risk of serious injury just won't happen which, though completely politically incorrect, I think is a bad thing. The best of the best has always involved risk.
Munter said:
DWP said:
Qualifying. Fastest car on pole. Simple. Now lets make a list of the best ways to screw that up.
I quite like the current setup. 3 lots of "ohhhh who's it gonna be". Is more exciting to watch than the race sometimes.As Keiichi Tsuchiya said "I drift around corners not because it is the fastest route, but as it's the most exciting!"
Formula 1 is all about being fastest around a track so why would they want their cars to slide around corners?
As for the "it's too safe", I completely agree... Look at downhill mountainbiking, Moto-X, Moto GP, WRC even amatuer Rallying... They're all extreemely dangerous.
The danger is obviously reduced by the modern technilogical safety gear they wear nowadays (HANS neck braces and modern Motorcycle leathers being incredibly advanced.
In WRC for example shows massive potential risk to the vehicle but not to the passengers due to the safety precautions taken to make the cockpit as safe as possible, modern rollcages and seats protect their passengers very well.
The same goes for Professional Drifting whereby even the best drivers loose spoilers, rear bumpers, front bumpers and paintwork due to the very nature of their sport... all looks very impressive yet at relatively low risk to the driver.
So why not the same for F1?
Possibly because it's about cost and not racing... Possibly because the Broadcasters of such racers don't want "little timmy" at home to see Mr Alfonso McBigshot writhing in flames and be scared for life.
Possibly because it's mainly about manufacturers who use the sport to showboat their products and whereby all the costs induced in building such cars is directly comparative to the expected revenue such marketing would create in sales of their product...
No point spending $2bn on a F1 bid only to make +$45m within that year from sales assosciated with the exposure granted by F1...
My, $245,146,927 and two cents...
Formula 1 is all about being fastest around a track so why would they want their cars to slide around corners?
As for the "it's too safe", I completely agree... Look at downhill mountainbiking, Moto-X, Moto GP, WRC even amatuer Rallying... They're all extreemely dangerous.
The danger is obviously reduced by the modern technilogical safety gear they wear nowadays (HANS neck braces and modern Motorcycle leathers being incredibly advanced.
In WRC for example shows massive potential risk to the vehicle but not to the passengers due to the safety precautions taken to make the cockpit as safe as possible, modern rollcages and seats protect their passengers very well.
The same goes for Professional Drifting whereby even the best drivers loose spoilers, rear bumpers, front bumpers and paintwork due to the very nature of their sport... all looks very impressive yet at relatively low risk to the driver.
So why not the same for F1?
Possibly because it's about cost and not racing... Possibly because the Broadcasters of such racers don't want "little timmy" at home to see Mr Alfonso McBigshot writhing in flames and be scared for life.
Possibly because it's mainly about manufacturers who use the sport to showboat their products and whereby all the costs induced in building such cars is directly comparative to the expected revenue such marketing would create in sales of their product...
No point spending $2bn on a F1 bid only to make +$45m within that year from sales assosciated with the exposure granted by F1...
My, $245,146,927 and two cents...
chevronb37 said:
Scuffers said:
so what if a few of them fall off? with current cct's there is sod all to hit these days (comparatively)
I think Timo Glock might take issue with that ascertion!did he loose a limb? no.
is he disabled? No.
same with Massa, accidents happen, and whist I am not condoning the idea that drivers being killed or maimed is a good thing, F1 these days is far from deathrace 2000.
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