Webber's huge Smokescreen..
Webber's huge Smokescreen..
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MGJohn

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10,203 posts

212 months

Tuesday 16th March 2010
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Never seen the likes of that except when a piston or two has been destroyed. It appeared to affect badly some of the drivers behind Webber's hugely smoking car ~ so bad it looked like a total engine failure.

So, what did other observers make of this incident ? It repeated the smoke screen a little later on a lesser scalebut, still quite bad.

Thinks, could such a ploy be deliberately used say to fend off a faster car behind .... all's fair in love and wossname after all .... ask Herr S. ... smile

More seriously ... Please Discuss ...


Mazda Baiter

37,069 posts

217 months

Tuesday 16th March 2010
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Maybe Mattibukkake can make a video blowing away the Webber smokescreen. winkhehe

FourWheelDrift

92,257 posts

313 months

Tuesday 16th March 2010
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Red Bull gives you smokey farts.

Mazda Baiter

37,069 posts

217 months

Tuesday 16th March 2010
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Seriously, I thought it looked like a heavily blocked breather causing high crankcase pressure, leading to oil blowing past the rings.

plg101

4,106 posts

239 months

Tuesday 16th March 2010
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I suspect an overfilled oil reservoir. Which begs the question, how could it have been overfilled - I thought every level, component and tiniest detail was checked and rechecked- or are they just very sensitive to even a few ml of overfill?

Given the plume of smoke, and the incidents that occurred behind Webber, surely it was a borderline case for being flagged - (Black with an Orange Circle?) to enforce a pit check?

Have to say, I can't remember the last time I saw this flag deployed; even when cars have had significant bodywork missing?

FourWheelDrift

92,257 posts

313 months

Tuesday 16th March 2010
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That's why Max didn't award Prodrive/Aston Martin a place in 2010. He was scared of what they could drop from the back of their car wink


El Guapo

2,787 posts

219 months

Wednesday 17th March 2010
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It was potentially very dangerous. Any more smokescreens should draw a drive-through penalty at least.

llewop

3,956 posts

240 months

Thursday 18th March 2010
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plg101 said:
I suspect an overfilled oil reservoir. Which begs the question, how could it have been overfilled - I thought every level, component and tiniest detail was checked and rechecked- or are they just very sensitive to even a few ml of overfill?

Given the plume of smoke, and the incidents that occurred behind Webber, surely it was a borderline case for being flagged - (Black with an Orange Circle?) to enforce a pit check?

Have to say, I can't remember the last time I saw this flag deployed; even when cars have had significant bodywork missing?
this seems consistent with your suspicions
Autosport report of Kubica on the subject said:
"All our hard work this weekend was undone by the incident on the first lap," said Kubica. "During the lap to the grid, we had high engine oil levels and we took some out on the grid, but it seemed like Webber had the same problem after turn one: his engine just sucked the oil in and there was a massive amount of smoke in front of me.
But as you say, so so rare for a car to be flagged to stop for checks, one of the more infamous of recent years being Kimi with his flapping exhaust at Silverstone (I think).

jonnyb

2,590 posts

281 months

Thursday 18th March 2010
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I remember my old mark 2 Astra doing the same thing pulling on to the M20 once. I thought the engine had exploded, and the bloke behind me looked most non pulsed when the smoke had cleared.

Good to see F1 engines do it too.

E30M3SE

8,493 posts

225 months

Thursday 18th March 2010
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Would not have thought it was an intentional ploy, as when then oil burnt would it not have lost him power and therefore possible positions.

beakr

1,405 posts

240 months

Thursday 18th March 2010
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llewop said:
Kimi with his flapping exhaust at Silverstone (I think).
France I believe....

llewop

3,956 posts

240 months

Thursday 18th March 2010
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beakr said:
llewop said:
Kimi with his flapping exhaust at Silverstone (I think).
France I believe....
fair enough - couldn't remember exactly which and too lazy to google! getmecoat

woof

8,456 posts

306 months

Thursday 18th March 2010
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llewop said:
beakr said:
llewop said:
Kimi with his flapping exhaust at Silverstone (I think).
France I believe....
fair enough - couldn't remember exactly which and too lazy to google! getmecoat
apart from the fact he didn't get a black and orange - because he was driving a ferrari at the time


plg101

4,106 posts

239 months

Thursday 18th March 2010
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So... when was the last black and orange flag shown to a driver at a race?

(I think the last black flag was Massa, Canada 07 for leaving the pit at a red light?)

Edited by plg101 on Thursday 18th March 17:07

toovo1985

122 posts

199 months

Thursday 18th March 2010
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here in Portuguese TV, former F1 driver said that it was possibily oil that hadn't been burnt...

Clevers

1,171 posts

230 months

Thursday 18th March 2010
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When I saw the title of this thread I thought the references to Weber's smokescreen were related to his reputation...

GTP rpm

4,506 posts

225 months

Thursday 18th March 2010
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Clevers said:
When I saw the title of this thread I thought the references to Weber's smokescreen were related to his reputation...
Same.

I expected mattibu to be all over it.