Overtake for 1st position
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When was the last time someone overtook the guy in 1st place to become the race leader...not considering situations when the race leader has crashed out/ passed in pits/ technical problem? I mean an actual racing overtake where one guy overtakes the other guy to win the race?
I don't know the answer but a thinking about a certain current WDC is where the question has come from
I don't know the answer but a thinking about a certain current WDC is where the question has come from
First instance that comes to mind is Alonso and Massa banging wheels in the rain at the Nurburgring 2007.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S_9urzUrcY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S_9urzUrcY
johnaachen said:
When was the last time someone overtook the guy in 1st place to become the race leader...not considering situations when the race leader has crashed out/ passed in pits/ technical problem? I mean an actual racing overtake where one guy overtakes the other guy to win the race?
I don't know the answer but a thinking about a certain current WDC is where the question has come from
i dont know the answer to your question sadly, but give the button bashing a rest, the sexual tension you show towards him is extreme! Did you cry last sunday?I don't know the answer but a thinking about a certain current WDC is where the question has come from
LocoBlade said:
Not sure I'd count the Turkey one anyway if being strict, as Vettel made a mistake and went off the track which gave Button the run to get through.
Ah, but it was a forced error. He was under pressure from Button. He didn't crash or have any mechanical problems. And he ran wide as opposed to completely leaving the track.Therefore, overtake. No?
Jenson drove a blinder that day but I wouldnt say the overtake required any real skill or car advantage because of the extent of the mistake by Vettel meant he just drove by him, so using formula 1 speak, it satisfies the wording of the question, but perhaps not the spirit of the question 
Edited by LocoBlade on Friday 2nd April 21:01
NewMetalSystem said:
LocoBlade said:
Not sure I'd count the Turkey one anyway if being strict, as Vettel made a mistake and went off the track which gave Button the run to get through.
Ah, but it was a forced error. He was under pressure from Button. He didn't crash or have any mechanical problems. And he ran wide as opposed to completely leaving the track.Therefore, overtake. No?
EDLT said:
NewMetalSystem said:
LocoBlade said:
Not sure I'd count the Turkey one anyway if being strict, as Vettel made a mistake and went off the track which gave Button the run to get through.
Ah, but it was a forced error. He was under pressure from Button. He didn't crash or have any mechanical problems. And he ran wide as opposed to completely leaving the track.Therefore, overtake. No?
tbox Honda and his talent was less recognised than it is now, so if the accusation of Button bashing is aimed at me then it's way off target. I dont care who was involved, all I'm saying is that the original question seemed to imply overtaking manouvres where both cars were at full race speed where there was a genuine "duel" between the drivers and an element of skill was applied by the driver behind to outwit the guy in front to get past. The pass in Turkey was 99% created by Vettel running way off the track, it wasn't a small mistake and he could well have lost more than one place if others had been closer. All JB had to do to pass was to continue accelerating as normal and drive round Vettel on the straight as he came back on track. That's no different to a driver running a bit wide at the first corner of the race on to the grass/run-off and getting overtaken because they're going slower than everyone else as they rejoin. Although those passes also fit the wording of the question, I wouldnt class them as a "pure" overtaking manouvre either.
The thing is you need to be quicker by a big margin to get past - Hamilton caught up to Alonso at well over a second a lap last week, but it wasn't enough to get past. To have that kind of margin you either need a difference in equipment (such as Alonso's fading tyres versus Hamilton's fresh set) or a mistake from the driver in front to facilitate an overtake. Being a couple of tenths quicker on a good lap is just not enough.
It's not really just about JB - he can clearly overtake. I was thinking had he ever (or anybody else recently for that matter) actually overtaken for the win on the circuit?
Tomorrow is going to be exciting! Very off topic but if they qualify on wets and itsdry when the race starts tomorrow what tyres are they to start on?
Tomorrow is going to be exciting! Very off topic but if they qualify on wets and itsdry when the race starts tomorrow what tyres are they to start on?
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