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http://www.teamsassociation.org/press-release/2010...
The Formula One Teams Association is unveiling an analysis that projects emissions cut of 15% in three years.
Fota says the sport is the first to have a comprehensive and externally audited carbon reduction programme.
Further ambitions may include a doubling of energy efficiency in engines, which manufacturers hope would feed through into road cars.
This could go bad,or be a positive thing if handled correctly
The Formula One Teams Association is unveiling an analysis that projects emissions cut of 15% in three years.
Fota says the sport is the first to have a comprehensive and externally audited carbon reduction programme.
Further ambitions may include a doubling of energy efficiency in engines, which manufacturers hope would feed through into road cars.
This could go bad,or be a positive thing if handled correctly
Well, whether you agree or not, whether we need it or not, "sustainability" is global and here to stay. Why not? Forget the climate change thing, there's a lot of practical sense in extracting more for less. If done right, cheaper too!
A very simple (to write!) early gain would be to limit the use of wind tunnels. The report shows that 30% of emissions from F1 is from the supply of electricity. Of that 30%, roughly two third, probably more, will be used to power wind tunnels.
A very simple (to write!) early gain would be to limit the use of wind tunnels. The report shows that 30% of emissions from F1 is from the supply of electricity. Of that 30%, roughly two third, probably more, will be used to power wind tunnels.
Targarama said:
What about the big cargo planes used to carry them around the world? How about organising the races/locations so they have time to transport the gear more efficiently? I supposed skipping the US/South America races would help too ;-)
exactly makes me laugh - trying to make F1 look green. DangerousMike said:
the engines are more efficient than road car engines, but obviously far far higher performance. Anyone who mentions emissions from the race cars as an environmental problem is an idiot.
Agree wholeheartedly. I used to get this feeling in my old Griff when coming accross a Prius or similar. I could imagine them thinking..." You ignorant tw*t...think about your kids future...bloody heathen petrolhead ...blah blah ", etc..etc. I only ever drove it at weekends and sunny evenings. I can't believe F1's green future could even consider viewing the F1 cars themselves as a target for Co2 reductions. Surely it would be far better to just curtail the ever increasing calander of races, scrap all the Abu Dabi, Bahrain , Tilke crap and just host fewer races at the decent circuits thus massively reducing the entourage being shipped around the planet and consequently reduce the emmissions by half?PS.( Then set new regs allowing upto 6ltr capacity, no minimum weight limit, blowers etc..and then just run at Spa, Monza, Suzuka, Montreal, Silverstone, Monaco. Oh and Bathhurst if Bernie could squeeze it in! ).
I just cannot see how there is a big emphasis on increasing Races,which are the main fuel burner and the costs of transport,when they then ban testing on cost grounds and now talk about new smaller engines for the good of the environment
surely just having the same amount of races as now. instead of having more races with different environmentally friendly cars would be better,as more money would be needed to be spend on extra pit crews (nascar style) and there transport cost's
would this thought be better for GT racing ,which IMO would be a better benefit from this technology as they could be based on a production car directly ,similar to the 911 GT3 R Hybrid which used the Flywheel kers from Williams at least,instead of just experimenting with it in formula one ,like they want to do now
so instead of trying to go faster, its like they want f1 to just try to see how Fuel efficient the cars can be.
surely just having the same amount of races as now. instead of having more races with different environmentally friendly cars would be better,as more money would be needed to be spend on extra pit crews (nascar style) and there transport cost's
would this thought be better for GT racing ,which IMO would be a better benefit from this technology as they could be based on a production car directly ,similar to the 911 GT3 R Hybrid which used the Flywheel kers from Williams at least,instead of just experimenting with it in formula one ,like they want to do now
so instead of trying to go faster, its like they want f1 to just try to see how Fuel efficient the cars can be.
because there is a difference in doing something, and being seen to be doing something.
I went to a red bull presentation a while back. They take over 50 artics accross europe for every race. One is there puely as a printing room to print news sheets for each race.
impressive sounding, but 50 trucks crossing europe, for 2 cars in a (max) 2 hour race is really excessive when you think about it. And now there are 12 teams
So cutitng mileage, equipment or race numbers would have a very real effect on the overall "green-ness" of F1. But then, arguably it wouldnt be very impressive, very big, and Bernie couldnt justify the price he wants.
So they have to be seen to be green- lower emissions, ban on testing etc
I went to a red bull presentation a while back. They take over 50 artics accross europe for every race. One is there puely as a printing room to print news sheets for each race.
impressive sounding, but 50 trucks crossing europe, for 2 cars in a (max) 2 hour race is really excessive when you think about it. And now there are 12 teams
So cutitng mileage, equipment or race numbers would have a very real effect on the overall "green-ness" of F1. But then, arguably it wouldnt be very impressive, very big, and Bernie couldnt justify the price he wants.
So they have to be seen to be green- lower emissions, ban on testing etc
Derek Smith said:
The FIA has 'responded' to the FOCA announcement. They then go on to suggest that this is in line with their initiative. Seems to me to be more about FOCA grandstanding than any sensible desire to cut emissions.
FOCA or FOTA Derek? 
Mind you with a T or a C in the acronym, grandstanding is all they will do.
kambites said:
I assume the idea is to get the sport to put money into researching "green" technologies that will filter down into road cars, rather than to actually use less fuel when racing.
Agreed but surely motorsport governing bodies could start a whole new series for this sort of thing without the neeed forit to be a huge hit with spectators, i.e similar to solar cars, formula student, etc..What next, Electric Dragsters, Group B G Wizz..? I agree that we have to look to the future but for me it's a shame that this means less spectacle. Research real world green technologies and then enforce the leading advances on my daily road car, but don't then make me watch the effin things race!
Mazda Baiter said:
Derek Smith said:
The FIA has 'responded' to the FOCA announcement. They then go on to suggest that this is in line with their initiative. Seems to me to be more about FOCA grandstanding than any sensible desire to cut emissions.
FOCA or FOTA Derek? Mind you with a T or a C in the acronym, grandstanding is all they will do.
Derek Smith said:
Mazda Baiter said:
Derek Smith said:
The FIA has 'responded' to the FOCA announcement. They then go on to suggest that this is in line with their initiative. Seems to me to be more about FOCA grandstanding than any sensible desire to cut emissions.
FOCA or FOTA Derek? Mind you with a T or a C in the acronym, grandstanding is all they will do.
Quite.
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