So...Texas Tilke Track coming.......
So...Texas Tilke Track coming.......
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RDMcG

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20,841 posts

236 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Race promoters are set to reveal the Austin-area site of the track to be built for the return of Formula One racing to the United States.

Race promoters have scheduled a Tuesday news conference in Austin to talk about the track and the U.S. Grand Prix race that Formula One officials have said will run in Austin for 10 years starting in 2012.

Race promoters must first build a track. They say it would be the first built in the U.S. specifically designed for a Grand Prix event.

The German firm Tilke has been hired to design the venue. Tilke has built racetracks in Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Shanghai and Istanbul among other cities.

Formula One hasn't raced in the U.S. since 2007 after an eight-year run at Indianapolis Motor Speedway.

Le TVR

3,097 posts

280 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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RDMcG said:
The German firm Tilke has been hired to bore the F1 viewing audience.
EFA

Allyc85

7,225 posts

215 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Tavo Hellmund, promoter of the Austin track that is expected to host the 2012 United States Grand Prix, says that the purpose-built Texas track will be unique.

"I would say that, hopefully, people will view it as a throwback to some of the older, traditional tracks - although obviously with the added safety features and requirements that the FIA has," said Hellmund on the Autosport website.

"It will be a track that the drivers will walk through and think: 'Man, I have to be on my best game today!'"

As with most new F1 tracks, this one has been designed by Hermann Tilke, and details of its design are due to be released shortly.

"It is going to have a really fast section, which will have some pretty challenging corners," said Hellmund.

"I am partial to a couple of sections that I've seen at Silverstone, so you could see those turn up too. There is also going to be significant elevation – probably more than 100 feet of difference from top to bottom. There will be pretty views, and I think it will be a bit of a departure from the tracks that have been built recently for F1. So, in that regard, I am excited.

"Americans will be proud of it -- and it won't be a 'cookie cutter' track. I think people in Texas will be proud of it as well.

"When you really get down to it, the drivers should be your best endorsement," he said. "They are the ones that talk, and everyone wants to hear what they have to say. So I think between access, mobility, location and then obviously the asphalt within both fences, I think we're going to be good."

Eric Mc

125,607 posts

294 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Any elevation changes or is it flat?

For a track to look "traditional", it should go up and down as much as possible.


hornetrider

63,161 posts

234 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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FFS.

Notwithstanding that the majority of the new tracks are st, why can't they give the job to someone else for the sake of a different creative input? I can only think BCE has shares in Tilke or some kind of exclusive deal and using Tilke is a precondition of getting a GP.

For shame.

RDMcG

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236 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Eric Mc said:
Any elevation changes or is it flat?

For a track to look "traditional", it should go up and down as much as possible.
Have seen nothing yet but Austin is in one of the few parts of Texas that are not flat. Its actually a very nice town, Austin.

hornetrider

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234 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Eric Mc said:
Any elevation changes or is it flat?

For a track to look "traditional", it should go up and down as much as possible.
In the quote above you Eric it states 100ft of elevation changes in the circuit.

Andy 308GTB

3,050 posts

250 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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hornetrider said:
FFS.

Notwithstanding that the majority of the new tracks are st, why can't they give the job to someone else for the sake of a different creative input? I can only think BCE has shares in Tilke or some kind of exclusive deal and using Tilke is a precondition of getting a GP.

For shame.
This months Motorsport magazine says that the circuit has already been designed and the topography gives Tilke a much better starting point than he has had in other countries. Which is a fair point.

Pwig

12,003 posts

299 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Andy 308GTB said:
hornetrider said:
FFS.

Notwithstanding that the majority of the new tracks are st, why can't they give the job to someone else for the sake of a different creative input? I can only think BCE has shares in Tilke or some kind of exclusive deal and using Tilke is a precondition of getting a GP.

For shame.
This months Motorsport magazine says that the circuit has already been designed and the topography gives Tilke a much better starting point than he has had in other countries. Which is a fair point.
Tis a very good point actually.

JB!

5,255 posts

209 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Tilke tracks = YAWN.

jains15

1,013 posts

202 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Eric Mc said:
Any elevation changes or is it flat?

For a track to look "traditional", it should go up and down as much as possible.
With a few exceptions, elevation changes are an essential ingrediant to a great track, in my opinion. Certainly a good proportion of'classic corners' involve going up and down hills. Imagine if Spa was flat frown

garycat

5,374 posts

239 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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JB! said:
Tilke tracks = YAWN.
Yeah Istanbul turn 8 ... snooze

Shanghai 1km straight into a hairpin... Zzzzzz

What we need are more Catatonic... er I mean catalunya, or hungaroring.

JB!

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209 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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garycat said:
JB! said:
Tilke tracks = YAWN.
Yeah Istanbul turn 8 ... snooze

Shanghai 1km straight into a hairpin... Zzzzzz

What we need are more Catatonic... er I mean catalunya, or hungaroring.
Bahrain? Valencia?

drakart

1,759 posts

239 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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I've just been to the Algarve Circuit which as you may know has plenty of elevation changes, but was seen as too much of a rollercoaster for F1. They need to make their minds up as Algarve track is brilliant and F1 round there would be sensational. Oh the joys of F1 politics!

AJS-

15,366 posts

265 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Pwig said:
Andy 308GTB said:
hornetrider said:
FFS.

Notwithstanding that the majority of the new tracks are st, why can't they give the job to someone else for the sake of a different creative input? I can only think BCE has shares in Tilke or some kind of exclusive deal and using Tilke is a precondition of getting a GP.

For shame.
This months Motorsport magazine says that the circuit has already been designed and the topography gives Tilke a much better starting point than he has had in other countries. Which is a fair point.
Tis a very good point actually.
Didn't Tilke design the A1 Ring? With a starting point of the old Osterreichring. Elevation changes a plenty and he still managed to produce a dull as ditch water track that got dropped after a few years.

AJS-

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265 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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I think GP has made up it's mind. It wants 18 races on dull Tilke designed tracks in countries where people buy lots of T shirts.

Jungles

3,587 posts

250 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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hornetrider said:
FFS.

Notwithstanding that the majority of the new tracks are st, why can't they give the job to someone else for the sake of a different creative input? I can only think BCE has shares in Tilke or some kind of exclusive deal and using Tilke is a precondition of getting a GP.

For shame.
Tilke Engineering is the FIA's official contractor for Grand Prix tracks. An exclusive deal, therefore no competition.

Tilke is capable of creating interesting tracks. Istanbul, for example.

The proposed area for Austin seems to have the right kind of topography for a "classic"-looking circuit.

Edited by Jungles on Wednesday 28th July 13:41

Mazda Baiter

37,069 posts

217 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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Jungles said:
hornetrider said:
FFS.

Notwithstanding that the majority of the new tracks are st, why can't they give the job to someone else for the sake of a different creative input? I can only think BCE has shares in Tilke or some kind of exclusive deal and using Tilke is a precondition of getting a GP.

For shame.
Tilke Engineering is the FIA's official contractor for Grand Prix tracks. An exclusive deal, therefore no competition.

Tilke is capable of creating interesting tracks. Istanbul, for example.

The proposed area for Austin seems to have the right kind of topography for a "classic"-loosing circuit.
Apart from Silverstone, who didn't use Tilke for the "Arena" section of track and were quite blunt about their reasons not to choose him. I think it worked for them.

Evangelion

8,621 posts

207 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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Why don't they just use Laguna Seca and be done with it?

AJS-

15,366 posts

265 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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Mazda Baiter said:
Jungles said:
hornetrider said:
FFS.

Notwithstanding that the majority of the new tracks are st, why can't they give the job to someone else for the sake of a different creative input? I can only think BCE has shares in Tilke or some kind of exclusive deal and using Tilke is a precondition of getting a GP.

For shame.
Tilke Engineering is the FIA's official contractor for Grand Prix tracks. An exclusive deal, therefore no competition.

Tilke is capable of creating interesting tracks. Istanbul, for example.

The proposed area for Austin seems to have the right kind of topography for a "classic"-loosing circuit.
Apart from Silverstone, who didn't use Tilke for the "Arena" section of track and were quite blunt about their reasons not to choose him. I think it worked for them.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/04/29/silverstone-boss-explains-why-they-didnt-use-tilke-for-arena-track-upgrades/

Article here, and quite a lot of good sense talked too. I especially like

Richard Phillips said:
We thought that if we were going to change the track we should take care of the circuit first, fit in the run-off areas, and then sort out the buildings afterwards.
Which is a stark contrast to what seems to be the Ecclestone/Tilke philosophy of building a swanky great media centre, flash corporate boxes and the 5,000 sq ft pit garages, then fitting a circuit round the T shirt stalls and so forth.

Good for them