Bernie/Spankie in dream-world again....
Discussion
reading this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
the line:
"I don't think the teams would mind. If you asked anyone now if Max coming back as president of the FIA, if they would complain, I think they'd say 'no'."
really?
I'm sure if you asked any of the current team managers privately about this idea, I can't think of any of them that would want him back?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
the line:
"I don't think the teams would mind. If you asked anyone now if Max coming back as president of the FIA, if they would complain, I think they'd say 'no'."
really?
I'm sure if you asked any of the current team managers privately about this idea, I can't think of any of them that would want him back?
Edited by Scuffers on Tuesday 2nd November 14:18
It's the way you tell them:
"I pushed very strongly for Jean and I think he'll get the job done, and I want him to succeed because I'm responsible in part for him being there."
What he meant to say was that a voting system that is heavily weighted in favour of the candidate favoured by him is why Todt got in and what he ment to say is that he was responsible for is installing such an unfair voting system.
He's got a lovely way with words. It was on his watch that Ratzenbergr and Senna were killed with just one day between yet on the FIA's website he brings up their deaths to prove how safe he made F1.
I must admit to being quite impressed with the way Todt has run F1 so far apart from the farce of how the team orders farce was dealt with. Still it's a bit like saying how pleased one was with the way the captain of the Titanic managed his ship just before it hit the iceberg as the big test for him is the new concord agreement. He has limited options and lots of pressure. he seems at the moment to be getting Ferrari on the FIA's 'side' but they will do what suits them best.
Difficult times.
"I pushed very strongly for Jean and I think he'll get the job done, and I want him to succeed because I'm responsible in part for him being there."
What he meant to say was that a voting system that is heavily weighted in favour of the candidate favoured by him is why Todt got in and what he ment to say is that he was responsible for is installing such an unfair voting system.
He's got a lovely way with words. It was on his watch that Ratzenbergr and Senna were killed with just one day between yet on the FIA's website he brings up their deaths to prove how safe he made F1.
I must admit to being quite impressed with the way Todt has run F1 so far apart from the farce of how the team orders farce was dealt with. Still it's a bit like saying how pleased one was with the way the captain of the Titanic managed his ship just before it hit the iceberg as the big test for him is the new concord agreement. He has limited options and lots of pressure. he seems at the moment to be getting Ferrari on the FIA's 'side' but they will do what suits them best.
Difficult times.
Derek Smith said:
He's got a lovely way with words. It was on his watch that Ratzenbergr and Senna were killed with just one day between yet on the FIA's website he brings up their deaths to prove how safe he made F1.
I agree with much that you write Derek but feel this is worthy of exploring further. At the time of their deaths, tragic as they were, the whole sport had become somewhat complacent towards safety. No teams were volunteering additional crash structures or safety increases, nor were the FIA pushing them, nor were there any events to push increased safety.
It is symptomatic of any tragic event - be it bridge disasters, floods, shootings, etc that drive a review and change in legislation - you need a groundswell of opinion and a critical mass demanding review and change as well as a regulator to push such changes through to effect change. A regulator (and at the time FIA/Bernie could be perceived as one and the same in terms of political power base) only has so much scope to push - there has to be pull demand as well.
There deaths were tragic, but they also acted as a catalyst for safer F1 that the FIA and Bernie supported and pushed through in 94-95 and onwards.
Apologies if I have the wrong end of the stick.
Todt is working out quite nicely and I actually think that he has shown himself to be the right pair of hands. He has let others get on with the racing politics and dealt with the boardroom stuff without having to use the Press.
His first real test though will be securing a viable now agreement.
And convincing his wife to F off out of photo opps my knob has more right to be in.
His first real test though will be securing a viable now agreement.
And convincing his wife to F off out of photo opps my knob has more right to be in.
plg said:
Derek Smith said:
He's got a lovely way with words. It was on his watch that Ratzenbergr and Senna were killed with just one day between yet on the FIA's website he brings up their deaths to prove how safe he made F1.
I agree with much that you write Derek but feel this is worthy of exploring further. At the time of their deaths, tragic as they were, the whole sport had become somewhat complacent towards safety. No teams were volunteering additional crash structures or safety increases, nor were the FIA pushing them, nor were there any events to push increased safety.
It is symptomatic of any tragic event - be it bridge disasters, floods, shootings, etc that drive a review and change in legislation - you need a groundswell of opinion and a critical mass demanding review and change as well as a regulator to push such changes through to effect change. A regulator (and at the time FIA/Bernie could be perceived as one and the same in terms of political power base) only has so much scope to push - there has to be pull demand as well.
There deaths were tragic, but they also acted as a catalyst for safer F1 that the FIA and Bernie supported and pushed through in 94-95 and onwards.
Apologies if I have the wrong end of the stick.
If one accepts that, as you say, complacency had an effect then Mosley did not deserve praise for shutting the stable door.
On the other hand, there have been a number of reports on various websites, most notably Pitpass, and in motor racing mags, that there had been a report on the desk on the FIA president for some time pointing out that the risks to drivers had increased without any concomitant increase in active and passive safety features. This report put forward a number of suggestions, which were put into effect but unfortunately after Ratzenberger and Senna's death.
I agree with your major point, which was better put than mine, that post incident it is much easier, indeed one might feel in this case essential, to push through such provisions. But Mosley was forced to take action, not only by public opinion but by the law as well.
When I saw what he said on the FIA's website I bit. I'm all for a bit of creative writing but the first deaths for a number of years occurred when he was in charge. It might not have been his fault, but blame has to stop somewhere and if no one individual or group did something wrong then it rests with him at the top. OK, so we should not perhaps pillory him, but more importantly we should not allow him to claim the praise.
t stirrer. He's years ahead of trolls on web forums 
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