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ROOODBOY said:
mel said:
I know that the on board cameras cost around £50K each!
Some one has been winding you up 
. If you were to add all the development costs and so on into the mix and sell on the open market as a fully operational unit (including the bits in a Pelicase the other side of the armco if they still do that for track cameras) you might get close, but the real cost of the damage caused is more like a few £k at the very worst 
.Rude-boy said:
mel said:
I know that the on board cameras cost around £50K each!
Some one has been winding you up . If you were to add all the development costs and so on into the mix and sell on the open market as a fully operational unit (including the bits in a Pelicase the other side of the armco if they still do that for track cameras) you might get close, but the real cost of the damage caused is more like a few £k at the very worst .mrmr96 said:
Rude-boy said:
mel said:
I know that the on board cameras cost around £50K each!
Some one has been winding you up . If you were to add all the development costs and so on into the mix and sell on the open market as a fully operational unit (including the bits in a Pelicase the other side of the armco if they still do that for track cameras) you might get close, but the real cost of the damage caused is more like a few £k at the very worst .As for accidents and natural wastage you are looking at about 10-20% per year in most championships, and those were back in the day when you recoded to tape so far more moving parts.
I know a little of what I speak in this field.
Edited by Rude-boy on Monday 15th November 11:45
Well it wasn't just a random bloke in the street, pub talk, or forum gossip that was winding me up it just happened to be the head of onboard cameras at Formula One Communications that gave me the figure so I'd guess he knew what he was talking about. At last years AD Grand Prix I was there as a guest of FOM, this included pit, paddock & production tours, while stood in pit garage one we were handed an onboard camera units and shown how it worked (they are totally self contained and take nothing from the car), at this point the comment was made "careful it's about fifty grands worth you're holding there"
I realise now from some of the comments that the bollard units probably aren't as hi tech' as the onboard ones but do also realise that just because you don't get HD doesn't mean that the cameras aren't as they most certainly are, infact at last years AD Grand Prix not only were they filming in full HD but they were doing the first test runs in 3D, we didn't see any of the footage but I know that Bernie was given a private viewing for evaluation.
I realise now from some of the comments that the bollard units probably aren't as hi tech' as the onboard ones but do also realise that just because you don't get HD doesn't mean that the cameras aren't as they most certainly are, infact at last years AD Grand Prix not only were they filming in full HD but they were doing the first test runs in 3D, we didn't see any of the footage but I know that Bernie was given a private viewing for evaluation.
Mel I’ve met you and seen enough of your posts on here to know you aren’t making stuff up, fear not that I might be casting aspersions on your credibility, for I most certainly have not, nor am, trying to do so.
I feel your friend might have been a little over protective of his baby.
Anyway sounds like you got the full guided tour and I still know I know what I’m talking about having made a few calls
I feel your friend might have been a little over protective of his baby.
Anyway sounds like you got the full guided tour and I still know I know what I’m talking about having made a few calls
Edited by Rude-boy on Monday 15th November 15:06
No worries, I wouldn't have taken it to heart anyway.
The tour they gave us was certainly an education and I wouldn't have any reason to doubt the figures I was given when compared to the costs of everything else on the cars. The other possible explanation could have been that it's £50K per car as thinking about it each car has (or did have last season when we were shown around) three cameras on board, the obvious one on top of the air intake but also one rear facing and one in the pedal box on the drivers feet (which I've never actually seen shown on the BBC) each one of these has it's own feed back into the production "tent" (and I don't mean a tent in the way we imagine it) and then there are sub editors (or producers) controlling which feeds go to the main suite where they have a choice from every camera on the circuit plus a selection on OB feeds. The other interesting point is that the technicians from F1 Comms do all the installations and work on the actual cars not the teams, the teams are strictly prohibited from touching any of the cameras and have to get a tech' from F1 down if anything needs altering (hence why they work out of a pit garage)
The tour they gave us was certainly an education and I wouldn't have any reason to doubt the figures I was given when compared to the costs of everything else on the cars. The other possible explanation could have been that it's £50K per car as thinking about it each car has (or did have last season when we were shown around) three cameras on board, the obvious one on top of the air intake but also one rear facing and one in the pedal box on the drivers feet (which I've never actually seen shown on the BBC) each one of these has it's own feed back into the production "tent" (and I don't mean a tent in the way we imagine it) and then there are sub editors (or producers) controlling which feeds go to the main suite where they have a choice from every camera on the circuit plus a selection on OB feeds. The other interesting point is that the technicians from F1 Comms do all the installations and work on the actual cars not the teams, the teams are strictly prohibited from touching any of the cameras and have to get a tech' from F1 down if anything needs altering (hence why they work out of a pit garage)
mel said:
Well it wasn't just a random bloke in the street, pub talk, or forum gossip that was winding me up it just happened to be the head of onboard cameras at Formula One Communications that gave me the figure so I'd guess he knew what he was talking about. At last years AD Grand Prix I was there as a guest of FOM, this included pit, paddock & production tours, while stood in pit garage one we were handed an onboard camera units and shown how it worked (they are totally self contained and take nothing from the car), at this point the comment was made "careful it's about fifty grands worth you're holding there"
I realise now from some of the comments that the bollard units probably aren't as hi tech' as the onboard ones but do also realise that just because you don't get HD doesn't mean that the cameras aren't as they most certainly are, infact at last years AD Grand Prix not only were they filming in full HD but they were doing the first test runs in 3D, we didn't see any of the footage but I know that Bernie was given a private viewing for evaluation.
Cool story.I realise now from some of the comments that the bollard units probably aren't as hi tech' as the onboard ones but do also realise that just because you don't get HD doesn't mean that the cameras aren't as they most certainly are, infact at last years AD Grand Prix not only were they filming in full HD but they were doing the first test runs in 3D, we didn't see any of the footage but I know that Bernie was given a private viewing for evaluation.
So when you say they are 'self contained' I presume this means battery powered? I always wondered how the teams would have felt using a camera which was drawing power from the cars alternator. If it's battery powered then it's a non issue I suppose!
mel said:
No worries, I wouldn't have taken it to heart anyway.
mel said:
The tour they gave us was certainly an education and I wouldn't have any reason to doubt the figures I was given when compared to the costs of everything else on the cars. The other possible explanation could have been that it's £50K per car as thinking about it each car has (or did have last season when we were shown around) three cameras on board, the obvious one on top of the air intake but also one rear facing and one in the pedal box on the drivers feet (which I've never actually seen shown on the BBC) each one of these has it's own feed back into the production "tent" (and I don't mean a tent in the way we imagine it) and then there are sub editors (or producers) controlling which feeds go to the main suite where they have a choice from every camera on the circuit plus a selection on OB feeds. The other interesting point is that the technicians from F1 Comms do all the installations and work on the actual cars not the teams, the teams are strictly prohibited from touching any of the cameras and have to get a tech' from F1 down if anything needs altering (hence why they work out of a pit garage)
They are very special bits of kit these days and far removed from the cameras they first used to use.The whole TV effort is a real eye opener, even to those who have been doing broadcast and ENG work for years.
Nice bunch of guys, although there are a few who tend to come over all ‘F1’ from time to time
fortunately all the ones I grew up with are nicely grounded still !I'd love an official tour, sadly the only times we're in the same place at the same time though I'm rather busy
mrmr96 said:
So when you say they are 'self contained' I presume this means battery powered? I always wondered how the teams would have felt using a camera which was drawing power from the cars alternator. If it's battery powered then it's a non issue I suppose!
Other than the very first, very early days professional OBC's (as opposed to driver or team fitted) have almost always been totally independent systems, certainly in sub F1 cars.It’s bad enough telling someone that you are about to put a load of weight in their car without telling them you will be sapping their power as well.
F1 is a different animal, as usual, but in none formulae cars the weight of a camera/recorder unit has gone from over 6Kgs to about 1.5-2kgs in various stages and guises over the years for the ones which record to media with massive increases in sound and picture quality.
The ones that are used live are different animals and there are a couple of different systems about. With the standard versions of those the batteries are about then heaviest part of the kit, and that is only because it is more sensible with those to use industry ‘standard’ batteries than taylors that the ones fitted to GT’s aren’t closer to the ones fitted to the F1 cars.
It is a few years since I was fitting OBCs regularly though. These days I prefer to stand in one place
mrmr96 said:
ROOODBOY said:
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