Time Attack

[Zulu 10]

The initial message was deleted from this topic on 28 February 2021 at 12:29

[Henry Fiddleton]

Good question.

From understanding, it's simply turn up, and the fastest car over one lap wins.

Obviously there are numerous groups.

[Jonny671]

I'm not sure on the exact differences, but all I know is from when I've seen it the cars are usually very tuned and impressive to watch.

[NotNormal]

http://www.timeattack.co.uk/

[anonymous-user]

Zulu, i think there are different classes, and AFAIK they dont mix the two. So pro drivers are out on the circuit with each other, and amateurs....i'm sure you get the general idea

[retrorider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUCBxRdadMc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiQ6FcyiPag&fea...

Edited by retrorider on Tuesday 21st December 17:38

[barefoot]

It is actually seriously good to watch the pro class having some very fast cars and very good drivers like Olly Clark Roger Clark's son. My brother's car won the pro class this year below is his car and a dyno of the engine at over 900 BHP. Believe me the pro class is an expensive category to run at the front in but lower down it can be a cheap form of Motorsport and great fun.

To give you some idea of the speed of the pro class here are some stats:

Donnington Park

BTCC Lap Record Race: Jason Plato (GBR), Chevrolet Cruze, 1m 12.082s 19 September 2010

Time Attack Lap Record Pro Class: Duncan Tappy - Autosportif / TEIN - Impreza 1:12.758 Rd1 - 2008

Snetterton

BTCC Lap Record Race: Darren Turner (GBR), SEAT Leon TDI, 1m 11.711s set on 13 July 2008

Time Attack Lap Record Pro Class: Olly Clark - Roger Clark Motorsport GC8 1:09.834 Rd6 - 2008

Knockhill

BTCC Lap Record: Race: Darren Turner (GBR), SEAT Leon TDI, 53.283s on 17 August 2008

Time Attack Lap record: Pro Class Rory Butcher - RSE Motorsport - Evo 8 51.666 Rd2 - 2008



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjSg5ogUvP8

Edited by barefoot on Tuesday 21st December 19:15

[anonymous-user]

Zulu 10 said:

NotNormal said:

http://www.timeattack.co.uk/

So if I read it right the gist is:

Multiple cars on circuit simultaneously - separation at the 'discretion' of the drivers (from what the photos seem to show)

Transponders providing flying lap timing (i.e. not a standing start like a sprint) - timing one lap at a time.

Fastest single lap wins.

Frankly I'm amazed that the MSA will sanction this as it seems that the multiple cars in close proximity and potential for significant speed differential bewteen vehicles could lead to a pseudo racing situation for drivers who haven't had to pass an ARDS test? Hmmmm

Edited by Zulu 10 on Tuesday 21st December 13:00

I was one of the drivers in the Impreza that won the 2007 Pro championship, plus have been doing some setup driving in the last couple of years on a couple of the Club front runners, plus had a bit of tech input into the current Pro cars so know the series very well.

You've basically got the jist of it, but it can be expanded on a bit.

There are three main championships, Club (for entry level type cars or drivers), Club Pro (for established cars and drivers) and Pro (for out and out flying machines and top drivers). The Club runners have their own sessions, the Club Pro and Pro runners share their session, so the really quick kit is seperated from the less quick cars and less experienced drivers. To be able to drive in Club Pro and Pro you have to posses an MSA race licence.

The cars run in a few sessions during the day, usually starting with a warm up session, then timed practice, then qualifying and then the final. These are usually 20 minute sessions, so plenty of time to set a competitive lap, your fastest lap from each session is what counts.

The cars are great fun to drive, they are running on road legal Toyo R888 tyres, so most cars have more power than grip, which makes for really entertaining spectating and driving, all the classes are going quite quick, much quicker than you would find at a normal trackday, but the Pro cars really are quite something to try and find the limit with.

It's a great form of motorsport and fits in nicely for all budget levels, it gives a huge amount more track time compared to sprinting, yet is far less likely to see you having any contact and therefore big bills, than you would see racing.

[anonymous-user]

barefoot said:

It is actually seriously good to watch the pro class having some very fast cars and very good drivers like Olly Clark Roger Clark's son. My brother's car won the pro class this year below is his car and a dyno of the engine at over 900 BHP. Believe me the pro class is an expensive category to run at the front in but lower down it can be a cheap form of Motorsport and great fun.

To give you some idea of the speed of the pro class here are some stats:

Donnington Park

BTCC Lap Record Race: Jason Plato (GBR), Chevrolet Cruze, 1m 12.082s 19 September 2010

Time Attack Lap Record Pro Class: Duncan Tappy - Autosportif / TEIN - Impreza 1:12.758 Rd1 - 2008

Snetterton

BTCC Lap Record Race: Darren Turner (GBR), SEAT Leon TDI, 1m 11.711s set on 13 July 2008

Time Attack Lap Record Pro Class: Olly Clark - Roger Clark Motorsport GC8 1:09.834 Rd6 - 2008

Knockhill

BTCC Lap Record: Race: Darren Turner (GBR), SEAT Leon TDI, 53.283s on 17 August 2008

Time Attack Lap record: Pro Class Rory Butcher - RSE Motorsport - Evo 8 51.666 Rd2 - 2008



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjSg5ogUvP8

Gareth beat those times this year in your brothers EVO.

Snetterton 1:08.299
Knockhill 00:51.611
Oulton 01:25.493

[barefoot]

Thanks John I thought he did but could not find any times to confirm. Would hate for people to think it is an amateur type of series as it is not and as you will know since it's conception the Pro class has become very competitive and expensive! On saying that in a slightly milder form of tune we have taken his car several times to the Nurburgring (driving it there and back sometimes) where it demolishes the Porsches etc.

[HereBeMonsters]

Zulu 10 said:

Many thanks John; yours is a far more eloquent and intelligible explanation than that which graced the pages of Motorsports Now.

Glad I'm not the only one who finds it a bit greek.

[EDLT]

Why are old 4WD Japanese cars so popular, there are a lot of things that are technically road cars like Radicals, and kit cars such as the Ultima that would be appear to be a better starting point?

[mat205125]

EDLT said:

Why are old 4WD Japanese cars so popular, there are a lot of things that are technically road cars like Radicals, and kit cars such as the Ultima that would be appear to be a better starting point?

I think its kind of an unwritten rule / understanding that the cars are derived from more "accessable" road going stock, and then tuned to extremes to extract the performance.

Prototype/GT based cars are not traditionally part of the entry list. Part of its charm to the organisers, and fans, is illustrated perfectly in the comparisions above with BTCC lap times ..... it's amateurs and semi-pros opportunity to go out and tune their road cars, and run them on road tyres, and batter the laptimes of traditional / established racing series.

Sure, it would be relatively easy to build a 1000bhp Porsche Turbo engine, and strap it into a modified Carrera Cup car, but that's not in keeping with the series "philosophy"

[TheArchitect]

Watched this at rockingham some years back and was very impressed and enjoyed watching them. something ive been trying to get to again since but never had the time.

[GravelBen]

mat205125 said:

EDLT said:

Why are old 4WD Japanese cars so popular, there are a lot of things that are technically road cars like Radicals, and kit cars such as the Ultima that would be appear to be a better starting point?

I think its kind of an unwritten rule / understanding that the cars are derived from more "accessable" road going stock, and then tuned to extremes to extract the performance.

Isn't there a bloke who competes in a 400+hp Elise (Audi 1.8T powered)? Its not all Jap stuff.

I guess part of the reason the Jap 4wd stuff is so popular though is that 4wd is very useful when you're putting down big power through road-legal tyres, and they're very tuneable without being too heavy.

[TVRMARK500]

johnfelstead said:

barefoot said:

It is actually seriously good to watch the pro class having some very fast cars and very good drivers like Olly Clark Roger Clark's son. My brother's car won the pro class this year below is his car and a dyno of the engine at over 900 BHP. Believe me the pro class is an expensive category to run at the front in but lower down it can be a cheap form of Motorsport and great fun.

To give you some idea of the speed of the pro class here are some stats:

Donnington Park

BTCC Lap Record Race: Jason Plato (GBR), Chevrolet Cruze, 1m 12.082s 19 September 2010

Time Attack Lap Record Pro Class: Duncan Tappy - Autosportif / TEIN - Impreza 1:12.758 Rd1 - 2008

Snetterton

BTCC Lap Record Race: Darren Turner (GBR), SEAT Leon TDI, 1m 11.711s set on 13 July 2008

Time Attack Lap Record Pro Class: Olly Clark - Roger Clark Motorsport GC8 1:09.834 Rd6 - 2008

Knockhill

BTCC Lap Record: Race: Darren Turner (GBR), SEAT Leon TDI, 53.283s on 17 August 2008

Time Attack Lap record: Pro Class Rory Butcher - RSE Motorsport - Evo 8 51.666 Rd2 - 2008



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjSg5ogUvP8

Gareth beat those times this year in your brothers EVO.


Oulton 01:25.493

That must be the shorter track, without Island, Shell and Brittens?

[Scuffers]

GravelBen said:

mat205125 said:

EDLT said:

Why are old 4WD Japanese cars so popular, there are a lot of things that are technically road cars like Radicals, and kit cars such as the Ultima that would be appear to be a better starting point?

I think its kind of an unwritten rule / understanding that the cars are derived from more "accessable" road going stock, and then tuned to extremes to extract the performance.

Isn't there a bloke who competes in a 400+hp Elise (Audi 1.8T powered)? Its not all Jap stuff.

I guess part of the reason the Jap 4wd stuff is so popular though is that 4wd is very useful when you're putting down big power through road-legal tyres, and they're very tuneable without being too heavy.

there are a few Loti in all three classes.

Steve Guglielmi is in the Pro class with an Audi-Turbo powered Elise MA
Jamie Willson is in the Club Pro with a Supercharged-Honda Powered Exige
Jonathan McGregor in in Club Challenge with a Toyota-Powered Exige
Jeff Mileham is in Club Challenge with a Honda-Powered Elise

[david_b]

Some pics of the Lotuses

Scuffers said:

Steve Guglielmi is in the Pro class with an Audi-Turbo powered Elise MA

Time Attack - Brands Hatch 2010 by david_b, on Flickr

(This was the quickest car at Brands at that event)

Scuffers said:

Jamie Willson is in the Club Pro with a Supercharged-Honda Powered Exige

Time Attack - Brands Hatch 2010 by david_b, on Flickr

Scuffers said:

Jonathan McGregor in in Club Challenge with a Toyota-Powered Exige

Time Attack - Brands Hatch 2010 by david_b, on Flickr

Scuffers said:

Jeff Mileham is in Club Challenge with a Honda-Powered Elise

Time Attack - Brands Hatch 2010 by david_b, on Flickr

None of them are quite up to matching this for sheer bonkers-ness though


Time Attack - Brands Hatch 2010 by david_b, on Flickr

[EDLT]

That Pulsar is mental, not sure if the the bodykit is as aerodynamic as its supposed to be though.

[ellis427]

whats the spec on the pulsar?