FIA concerned overtaking will become commonplace
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So they wanted to increase overtaking...
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/39944.htm...
Stop fiddling FFS!
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/39944.htm...
Stop fiddling FFS!
What a pointlessly contrived system!
"As a result, the FIA has told teams that if the chasing car is within a certain time of his rival - say, one second - he will be allowed to activate the wing only within a 600-metre zone at the end of a straight.
These zones will reportedly be marked out with white lines, and Guardian correspondent Richard Williams reported that the one-second gap will be calculated at the corner before the designated straight."
"As a result, the FIA has told teams that if the chasing car is within a certain time of his rival - say, one second - he will be allowed to activate the wing only within a 600-metre zone at the end of a straight.
These zones will reportedly be marked out with white lines, and Guardian correspondent Richard Williams reported that the one-second gap will be calculated at the corner before the designated straight."
CoopR said:
What a pointlessly contrived system!
"As a result, the FIA has told teams that if the chasing car is within a certain time of his rival - say, one second - he will be allowed to activate the wing only within a 600-metre zone at the end of a straight.
These zones will reportedly be marked out with white lines, and Guardian correspondent Richard Williams reported that the one-second gap will be calculated at the corner before the designated straight."
Oh FFS thats rediculous let them drive the damn cars and stop pissing around with the rules. "As a result, the FIA has told teams that if the chasing car is within a certain time of his rival - say, one second - he will be allowed to activate the wing only within a 600-metre zone at the end of a straight.
These zones will reportedly be marked out with white lines, and Guardian correspondent Richard Williams reported that the one-second gap will be calculated at the corner before the designated straight."
Are all these movable wings and KERS "overtaking" buttons must haves or will we see some cars not bothering like a couple of years ago when KERS was an option?
So, having made the teams spend a shed-load of cash designing, developing and making these things, the FIA are now only going to let them be used for a small portion of each lap, probably in the exact same place where over-taking was already possible without the adjustable wings...
And all this without there being much, if any, real-world understanding of how these things will work in a race situation as opposed to testing or the wind tunnel...
Bravo FIA, Bra-f
king-vo.... 
And all this without there being much, if any, real-world understanding of how these things will work in a race situation as opposed to testing or the wind tunnel...
Bravo FIA, Bra-f
king-vo.... I don't get the negativity?
F1 recently has been good, but watch F1 in the 80's, and thats GREAT. Why? The following cars had a slipstream advantage, and none of this "dirty air" stuff now (they were too crude to max aero). As a result, overtaking was more common, but still hard.
At present, being 1s behind a car is such a handicap, a car 2s a lap faster still struggles to pass, if they can at all.
Would we prefer NASCAR style overtaking, when there are so many draft based moves it's all a bit pointless? not at all. IMO the powers that be are merely trying to spice things to the correct level, without it being artificial.
F1 recently has been good, but watch F1 in the 80's, and thats GREAT. Why? The following cars had a slipstream advantage, and none of this "dirty air" stuff now (they were too crude to max aero). As a result, overtaking was more common, but still hard.
At present, being 1s behind a car is such a handicap, a car 2s a lap faster still struggles to pass, if they can at all.
Would we prefer NASCAR style overtaking, when there are so many draft based moves it's all a bit pointless? not at all. IMO the powers that be are merely trying to spice things to the correct level, without it being artificial.
Some Gump said:
I don't get the negativity?
F1 recently has been good, but watch F1 in the 80's, and thats GREAT. Why? The following cars had a slipstream advantage, and none of this "dirty air" stuff now (they were too crude to max aero). As a result, overtaking was more common, but still hard.
At present, being 1s behind a car is such a handicap, a car 2s a lap faster still struggles to pass, if they can at all.
Would we prefer NASCAR style overtaking, when there are so many draft based moves it's all a bit pointless? not at all. IMO the powers that be are merely trying to spice things to the correct level, without it being artificial.
I'm not sure how much more artificial it can get. F1 recently has been good, but watch F1 in the 80's, and thats GREAT. Why? The following cars had a slipstream advantage, and none of this "dirty air" stuff now (they were too crude to max aero). As a result, overtaking was more common, but still hard.
At present, being 1s behind a car is such a handicap, a car 2s a lap faster still struggles to pass, if they can at all.
Would we prefer NASCAR style overtaking, when there are so many draft based moves it's all a bit pointless? not at all. IMO the powers that be are merely trying to spice things to the correct level, without it being artificial.
But it will all come out in the wash as they say.
Of course it is artificial, but whether it's a bad thing remains to be seen. I suspect the consensus will fall either way depending on implementation.
Does anyone know the logistics of the rule? They should do something along the lines of having an automatic over-ride that takes a feed from the GPS location system. It could be further complicated by using wind-tunnel data from each car to calculate a turbulence coefficient for following and being followed and applying those to the situation, taking into account speed, length of straight etc. It could be done seamlessly in a way that the viewer wouldn't even notice. But it probably won't.
If they oversimplify the system does it not then create a design pressure to build a rear end that throws off a disproportionate wake?
Does anyone know the logistics of the rule? They should do something along the lines of having an automatic over-ride that takes a feed from the GPS location system. It could be further complicated by using wind-tunnel data from each car to calculate a turbulence coefficient for following and being followed and applying those to the situation, taking into account speed, length of straight etc. It could be done seamlessly in a way that the viewer wouldn't even notice. But it probably won't.
If they oversimplify the system does it not then create a design pressure to build a rear end that throws off a disproportionate wake?
Some Gump said:
F1 recently has been good, but watch F1 in the 80's, and thats GREAT. Why? The following cars had a slipstream advantage, and none of this "dirty air" stuff now (they were too crude to max aero). As a result, overtaking was more common, but still hard.
I'm sure in the first race of the 2009(?) season (the season where we first saw the double diffuser, first race was in Australia) the cars were following much more closely than they had been in the previous years. At the start of the year it was only a couple of teams who had the double diffuser, before the rest of the teams developed their own versions the cars were closer.I would check this memory on YouTube but Bernie has decided I can't watch clips from races 2 years ago.
I like the idea of KERS but hate the adjustable rear wing...
KERS is sort of a throwback to the turbo era of the 1980s in that it gives the car a significant performance boost but must be used judiciously and it can be used by both the overtaker and the one being overtaken.
The wing rules will be enforced rather confusingly, as IIRC they can all use it wherever they want in quali but only in one place under finite conditions during the race - as others have said, this will most likely be in places where it was already perfectly possible to pass without this system last year.
It seems very artificial and IMO takes a lot of the skill out of overtaking. I hope it doesn't last!
KERS is sort of a throwback to the turbo era of the 1980s in that it gives the car a significant performance boost but must be used judiciously and it can be used by both the overtaker and the one being overtaken.
The wing rules will be enforced rather confusingly, as IIRC they can all use it wherever they want in quali but only in one place under finite conditions during the race - as others have said, this will most likely be in places where it was already perfectly possible to pass without this system last year.
It seems very artificial and IMO takes a lot of the skill out of overtaking. I hope it doesn't last!
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