1973 German GP

[entropy]

Das Nordschleife!

No commentary, BTW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhI7ah4nKwQ

[fatboy69]

That looks like a lot of fun to watch although at 2 hours in length it will need some careful planning!!

Great post.

[Eric Mc]

Amazing what is beginning to turn up on the internet. Without the commentary and seeing the raw video, it is much more like looking through some sort of time machine window at a long gone world.

[twizellb]

Brilliant find.

[tyrrell]

Fantastic many thanks

[williamp]

Ideed. Can someone..ermm... make a back-up just in case a short fellow decides he has rights, and this video gets pulled??

[timbob]

williamp said:

Ideed. Can someone..ermm... make a back-up just in case a short fellow decides he has rights, and this video gets pulled??

T'is before the era of FOM isn't it? I hope so anyway!

[dr_gn]

Brilliant to see something like this without the prattling fool Walker droning on in the background.

[Eric Mc]

Murray wasn't let near F1 by the Beeb in those days. I've seen clips of the same German TV footage with the BBC commentary and it was Raymond Baxter on the mike.

Murray only really got the F1 gig in 1978 - although he had done the odd F1 radio commentary before. His main areas had been motorcycle racing, scrambling and rallycross.

The whole of the infamous 1973 Dutch GP is alo in youtube, I noticed.

[Life Saab Itch]

What superb footage.

Cevert never really let Stewart stop pushing, did he?

It's also interesting to see the track before the changes that happened after the '73 race. Lots of yumps that aren't there now.

[dr_gn]

Eric Mc said:

Murray wasn't let near F1 by the Beeb in those days. I've seen clips of the same German TV footage with the BBC commentary and it was Raymond Baxter on the mike.

Murray only really got the F1 gig in 1978 - although he had done the odd F1 radio commentary before. His main areas had been motorcycle racing, scrambling and rallycross.

The whole of the infamous 1973 Dutch GP is alo in youtube, I noticed.

I'm afraid noting is sacred when Walker is at hand: I've seen fragments of pre-war footage of - I think - either Donington or Nurburgring with his commentary dubbed over it.

[Eric Mc]

I actually like Murray - not because he was a brilliant commentator - but because of his natural enthusiasm and exuberance.

I would highly recommend a listen to any of the Raymond Baxter commentaries. Not many seem to have survived but the odd one that does allows you to hear the preciseness and accuracy of his comments and use of English. A joy to listen to, in my opinion.

[Life Saab Itch]

Eric Mc said:

I actually like Murray - not because he was a brilliant commentator - but because of his natural enthusiasm and exuberance.

I would highly recommend a listen to any of the Raymond Baxter commentaries. Not many seem to have survived but the odd one that does allows you to hear the preciseness and accuracy of his comments and use of English. A joy to listen to, in my opinion.

ES0pN classic have a few races with Baxter commentary that they broadcast occasionally.

1965 Dutch GP springs to mind.

[dr_gn]

Eric Mc said:

I actually like Murray - not because he was a brilliant commentator - but because of his natural enthusiasm and exuberance.

I would highly recommend a listen to any of the Raymond Baxter commentaries. Not many seem to have survived but the odd one that does allows you to hear the preciseness and accuracy of his comments and use of English. A joy to listen to, in my opinion.

I can *just* remember Raymond Baxter commentating.

[Eric Mc]

Same with me - although his air show commentaries were also second to none and he continued with them well into the 80s.

[Stack]

I had this bookmarked its 20 mins highlights from the same race with Jackie Stewart commentating

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IfKptzLWck

[dr_gn]

Eric Mc said:

Same with me - although his air show commentaries were also second to none and he continued with them well into the 80s.

There's an article in Motor Sport this month about him. Apparently Raymond Baxter was about to start on Tomorrows World at the time the BBC started Grand Prix, so didn't have time to do the F1 commentary. Walker got the job. Shame.

[Great Dane]

There is also a full video of the very sad Dutch GP where Williamson was killed.....

[Eric Mc]

dr_gn said:

Eric Mc said:

Same with me - although his air show commentaries were also second to none and he continued with them well into the 80s.

There's an article in Motor Sport this month about him. Apparently Raymond Baxter was about to start on Tomorrows World at the time the BBC started Grand Prix, so didn't have time to do the F1 commentary. Walker got the job. Shame.

I'm pretty sure that's not true.

BBC started their "Grand Prix" programme at the start of the 1978 season.

Raymond Baxter started "Tomorrow's World" in 1964. In actual fact, he had resigned from Tomorrow's World in 1977 because he disagreed with the way he thought it was being "dumbed down".
So, I don't think there was any clash between "Tomorrow's World" and the grand prix coverage.
I would suggest that Baxter was not terribly emnamoured with the BBC at the point they were planning on increasing their F1 coverage so probably wasn't even asked to do it.

[dr_gn]

Eric Mc said:

I'm pretty sure that's not true.

BBC started their "Grand Prix" programme at the start of the 1978 season.

Raymond Baxter started "Tomorrow's World" in 1964. In actual fact, he had resigned from Tomorrow's World in 1977 because he disagreed with the way he thought it was being "dumbed down".
So, I don't think there was any clash between "Tomorrow's World" and the grand prix coverage.
I would suggest that Baxter was not terribly emnamoured with the BBC at the point they were planning on increasing their F1 coverage so probably wasn't even asked to do it.

Well, that anecdote came from Murray Walker himself (in the Motor Sport interview), so it's quite possibly bks.