If we were to re-write the rules of F1.
If we were to re-write the rules of F1.
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RMF

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1 posts

201 months

Monday 14th March 2011
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Hello fellow Piston Headers!

I wanted to raise a topic close to my heart, and I'm sure many more of you out there. F1 rules! Over recent weeks, we've seen wave after wave of revised plans, reckless thinking and new pressures leading to what might become a rather dull formula. As F1 has always set the tempo for the future of the sport, it could become the lower leagues who pick up the scrapes of action and adrenalin left behind.

As we'd hate to see F1 become more dull, and as we're all passionate about cars, motorsport and going fast, I thought it would be interesting to see what the rule book might look like if it were us, the paying public who had a presence at the committee meetings in Paris!

My shout:

Rule 1. Ban all meteorological broadcast data, forcing teams to react to the weather as it happens (no silly track wetting)
Rule 2. Create pit windows to put more emphasis on track passes than pit passes
Rule 3. Issue points for passes which are added to total points. Might not be enough to make it more worth while qualifying lower down, but enough to make the championship more dynamic.

What would you like to see in F1???

fatboy69

9,424 posts

216 months

Monday 14th March 2011
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Simple - ban all electronic driver 'aids', ban this stupid moveable rear wing, ban all so called 'aerodynamic' body add on's, ban flappy paddle gearboxes & bring back proper manual gearboxes with a gear shift & a clutch peddle.

I would also bring back big fat sticky slick tyres & engines would not be less than 3.5 litres & should have a minimum of 10 cylinders.

No pit stops, no fannying about with idea's like Bernies idiotic suggestion of 'rain' showers, & no tyre changes unless the car has suffered a puncture.

Simple pure race cars with manual gear changes. That would sort out the nonsense we get these days.

joewilliams

2,004 posts

230 months

Monday 14th March 2011
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Remove artificial restrictions, don't add more.

How on earth do you stop the entire team, including the ones back at HQ (who are there rather than trackside to cut costs) from checking a weather radar?

Blue Meanie

73,668 posts

284 months

Monday 14th March 2011
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I'd like to keep it simple. Width, length and height restrictions, and maybe an engine power limit, as well as some safety stuff, BUT, I would like to let the designers, and engineers free to experiment, and have all sorts of innovative designs.

sirtyro

1,824 posts

227 months

Monday 14th March 2011
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fatboy69 said:
Simple - ban all electronic driver 'aids', ban this stupid moveable rear wing, ban all so called 'aerodynamic' body add on's, ban flappy paddle gearboxes & bring back proper manual gearboxes with a gear shift & a clutch peddle.

I would also bring back big fat sticky slick tyres & engines would not be less than 3.5 litres & should have a minimum of 10 cylinders.

No pit stops, no fannying about with idea's like Bernies idiotic suggestion of 'rain' showers, & no tyre changes unless the car has suffered a puncture.

Simple pure race cars with manual gear changes. That would sort out the nonsense we get these days.
I agree with you....however....I also like the fact that F1 creates new technology and innovation! So I'd like a compromise between pure racing and innovation....I just don't know how to achieve it!

slipstream 1985

13,751 posts

208 months

Monday 14th March 2011
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bigger grids, 3 cars per team would make pit stops really challenging if theres a change of weather. but only 2 score points. that should help bring in new drivers.

mollytherocker

14,459 posts

238 months

Monday 14th March 2011
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Reduce aero by 50%.
Manual gearboxes with a simple graphic in the bottom right of the screen showing a live 3D rendering of the 3 pedals positioning.
Softer suspension so that you can see the physical attitude of the cars.
Carburettors.
Simpler less fussy bodywork.

That will do for now.

MTR


skinny

5,269 posts

264 months

Monday 14th March 2011
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stock wings, 150l fuel per race, free engine technology

Dangerous2

11,327 posts

221 months

Monday 14th March 2011
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safety cell dimensions and crash test.
overall car dimensions (maximum size, minimum weight). say 2 metres x whatever length they are now. 600 kg is about right.
race fuel limit (cars start race on full tanks). importantly, no fuel mass flow limitation (i.e. they'll be way quicker in qualifying than the race).

engine configuration - whatever you like.
KERS - whatever you like.
gearbox - manual.

no driver aids.

active aerodynamics allowed.

that's about it.

GAjon

4,078 posts

242 months

Monday 14th March 2011
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Points allocated for position finished in race, i.e. if you blow up on the grid with 26 cars you get 26 points, if you finish 1st you get one point. lowest point scorer wins he season.

Altrezia

8,740 posts

240 months

Monday 14th March 2011
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Any engine, limited fuel, no fuel in pitstops.

Apart from that, back to the older front wings, and we'll be there.

MiniMan64

19,339 posts

219 months

Monday 14th March 2011
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RMF said:
Rule 3. Issue points for passes which are added to total points. Might not be enough to make it more worth while qualifying lower down, but enough to make the championship more dynamic
You thought about that one much?

"Fellipe, Fernando is faster than you, do you understand?"

"Oh, no he's not"

"Yes he is"

"No he's not"

"Yes he is"

"No he's not"

etc etc

williamp

20,381 posts

302 months

Monday 14th March 2011
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Ban all aero- think of a larger Formula Ford car. Not even a rear undertray, so mechanical grip only. So...

Increase rear tyre width.

Engines should be from a variety of options- small turbo, larger N/A with multiple fuel choices. Limit fuel consumption to promote innovation

Max 2 people to work on the car during a pit stop- so should the driver driver easier, and make the tyres last longer

Only race on "good" circuits. Having a nice hotel attached is very nice etc, but you're there to race, so race.


EDLT

15,421 posts

235 months

Tuesday 15th March 2011
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Width restriction (length should take care of itself, oo er.)
One barrel of fuel per car per weekend
Ban Mario kart style racing solutions

Have fun.

PhillipM

6,556 posts

218 months

Tuesday 15th March 2011
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Car has to be this big, car has to pass these saftey tests, car may use only this much fuel in a race, get on with it.

Maybe a reverse qualifying grid but with 3pts for 1st, 2 for 2nd, and 1 for 3rd to keep it spiced up...

Funk

27,640 posts

238 months

Tuesday 15th March 2011
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Yep, remove all the stupid rules and regulations; let the engineers innovate and the drivers get on with driving and taking chances. Ecclestone can't see that the more they regulate and stifle, the less interesting and exciting the racing becomes. I can't describe my frustration at the 'penalties' imposed for some minor infringement of Petty Rule No.4759, Article 18, Section 5, Subsection 14, Appendix 175b: "The driver shall not overtake whilst pulling a silly face inside his helmet."

Derek Smith

49,689 posts

277 months

Tuesday 15th March 2011
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The rule book is being rewritten as we speak. Not in the same way as it has every fornight over recent years but with the new concorde agreement. It will be one of the most political formulae out there.

It is the big test for Todt.

Rumours suggest four cylinder engines with forced induction being considered.

Whatever the eventual decision it seems probable that it will be considerably different from what we have today.

We've had mssaive reductions in power before: 1500 bhp in qually to a bit over half that. It was still F1 though. But now Todt will have to balance different demands. Whatever comes out will be a compromise.

timbo48

688 posts

211 months

Tuesday 15th March 2011
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Ban carbon brakes to increase braking distances thus, in theory at least, increasing passing opportunities.

m8rky

2,090 posts

188 months

Tuesday 15th March 2011
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To get some really exciting action how about using production based saloon cars,limit the drivers to uk with the odd foreign hotshoe and a tv celebrity with a grudge against a lanky bloke,run the championship on uk tracks only dont worry too much about on track argy-bargy have three races per meeting and you have the recipe for a perfect race championship.

Oh damn it already exists,thought i was on to a winning idea that knocks dull F1 in to the weeds.


Dangerous2

11,327 posts

221 months

Tuesday 15th March 2011
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carbon brakes don't noticeably decreases braking distances from steel discs... they do decrease the unsprung mass and the rotational inertia of the wheel/tyre/etc assembly.