KERS or no KERS?
KERS or no KERS?
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rubystone

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11,254 posts

288 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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No benefit on weight distribution, but less impact on aero consistency, heat management and load on other systems.

But surely, somewhere like Monza would make it a disadvantage not to run it?

Don't forget that only a couple of teams ran it consistently in 2009, McLaren being one of them, so the argument that Red Bull were able to run at the front then doesn't really hold any water.

My money is on Red Bull introducing it from the European races. It will be interesting to see what effect it has in Malaysia which has a couple of major straights....

PhillipM

6,557 posts

218 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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They'll introduce it no doubt, but not until they've got the batteries small and cool running enough that they can package them without affecting the aerodynamics adversely. Lithium-poly battery tech has advanced massively over the past few years, so no doubt the batteries available in a few months will be 10% lighter and 10% cooler running for the same capacity. Might just be enough to nudge it into the space available.

skwdenyer

18,707 posts

269 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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I had thought that KERS was mandatory this year. But since some lower-order teams don't have it, clearly it isn't. The only way out of that impasse would be to mandate the fitting of ballast of equivalent size, shape and position, but, since there is no standardised KERS system, that isn't possible.

It doesn't, overall, seem awfully good without compulsion.

rubystone

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11,254 posts

288 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Red Bull must have designed to car to take it...no way could they redesign the car for obvious reasons. SO it ought to just slot into the space that must currently be ballasted....unless there's something onbstrucing/already occupying that space of course....that confers a far greater adnvantage than KERS does.... scratchchin

Jungles

3,587 posts

250 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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skwdenyer said:
I had thought that KERS was mandatory this year. But since some lower-order teams don't have it, clearly it isn't. The only way out of that impasse would be to mandate the fitting of ballast of equivalent size, shape and position, but, since there is no standardised KERS system, that isn't possible.
A mandatory ballast for non-KERS cars would be grossly unfair. First, KERS is optional, not mandatory; so whether a team uses KERS is a strategic decision for them. Second, a non-KERS car already suffers from not having an additional weapon for overtaking or defending against an overtake; there is no need to penalise them even more by mandating extra ballast. Thirdly, the minimum weights of the cars have already been increased to offset the centre-of-gravity disadvantage suffered by larger drivers in KERS cars.

I think KERS is definitely an advantage this season. We saw how Mark was struggling to get past Alonso in an identically-paced car, due to Alonso's use of KERS. Mark's DRS alone was no match for the combined defence put up by Alonso's KERS + DRS. Then there is always the risk of getting jumped during the drag race to T1.

Non-KERS teams will probably have to find a way of making KERS work eventually, at least for fast tracks like Monza and Spa.

anonymous-user

83 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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The Red Bull ran KERS in practice, they opted to remove it for the qually/race.

All the cars have a minimum weight, so taking KERS off the car means they put ballast weight back in, but the ballast will drop the C of G relative to it, so is a handling advantage not running it.

Alonso didnt have the low drag rear wing advantage to help defend, as only the car behind has it enabled during the race in the "overtaking" zone.

flemke

23,481 posts

266 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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skwdenyer said:
I had thought that KERS was mandatory this year. But since some lower-order teams don't have it, clearly it isn't. The only way out of that impasse would be to mandate the fitting of ballast of equivalent size, shape and position, but, since there is no standardised KERS system, that isn't possible.

It doesn't, overall, seem awfully good without compulsion.
Also, a standardised KERS would sort-of defeat the (ill-conceived) purpose, of giving competing F1 engineers an incentive to device a better KERS.

slipstream 1985

13,751 posts

208 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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combined with the Wing Angle Neutraliser the Kinetic Energy Recovery System does allow for some ammusing acrinoms

d3dna

395 posts

257 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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slipstream 1985 said:
combined with the Wing Angle Neutraliser the Kinetic Energy Recovery System does allow for some ammusing acrinoms
Brilliant!

rubystone

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11,254 posts

288 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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I had been struggling to fill that acronym...had te first two elements...Williams Active....just needed the 'N'....