Did McLaren let Ferrari win the Italian GP
Did McLaren let Ferrari win the Italian GP
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Bebee

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4,724 posts

254 months

Tuesday 19th April 2011
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The only race which McLaren did not win in 1988 was the Italian Grand Prix. It was held just weeks after Enzo Ferrari's death.

Do you think McLaren let Ferrari win out of respect?

Streps

2,457 posts

195 months

Tuesday 19th April 2011
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I think Mclaren suffered a weird blip
Prost suffered an extremely rare Honda engine failure
And Senna damaged his right-rear suspension and retired after a spin.

F1 can be strange like that.

Nice thing to happen to Ferrari though.

Edited by Streps on Tuesday 19th April 23:59

davepoth

29,395 posts

228 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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I expect the Italian fans were worth a tenth or two a lap over the opposition - mainly due to going down to the McLaren garage at 3 on Sunday morning and loosening some bolts...

ranacc

7 posts

185 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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Anyone know if the story on this link about the race is true?

"My favourite Alain Prost story, the one that I feel sums up his tactical genius more than any other, surrounds the
Italian GP at Monza in 1988. Prost and Senna are locked in an intense championship battle that is between them alone
- a McLaren in-house affair. It is late in the season and they can indulge themselves in the races because there is
no 3rd party threat - they will finish 1-2 in the championship no matter what. Prost is following Senna closely in
the early stages when Alain realizes that he has an engine problem that will surely prove terminal – realizes with
certainty that he will not last the race. Knowing this, and knowing Senna’s ego and his need to prove he’s fastest,
Prost decides to drive 11/10th’s and push Senna hard, setting fastest lap after fastest lap. Senna takes the bait,
and increases his pace to match Prost and maintain or increase his gap. Prost however, is deliberately driving at
such a pace as to put himself the wrong side of his fuel reading, leaving him not enough to finish the race. He is
making Senna do the same. Now if Senna had really thought about it, he would have realized that Prost simply does
not do things like that, that’s he’s too great a thinker to miscalculate his fuel supply. Senna takes the bait
however, thinks only of proving he can match Prost’s challenge, be as fast, stay ahead. Half way through the race,
Prost duly drops out with engine failure, and the damage to Senna is done. In the late stages he is so marginal on
fuel that he’s had to cut back dramatically, and the Ferraris are now breathing down his neck. Senna feels a desperate
need to get by a rookie in traffic at a risky place, they collide, and his race is over. It was a long shot on Prost’s
part, but his actions did, in the end, have a compromising effect on Senna’s race, even long after Prost had dropped out."

http://www.grandprixhistory.org/ramble5.htm

Senna and Schlesser colliding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ3e4tRpCKE

Bebee

Original Poster:

4,724 posts

254 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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ranacc said:
Anyone know if the story on this link about the race is true?

"My favourite Alain Prost story, the one that I feel sums up his tactical genius more than any other, surrounds the
Italian GP at Monza in 1988. Prost and Senna are locked in an intense championship battle that is between them alone
- a McLaren in-house affair. It is late in the season and they can indulge themselves in the races because there is
no 3rd party threat - they will finish 1-2 in the championship no matter what. Prost is following Senna closely in
the early stages when Alain realizes that he has an engine problem that will surely prove terminal – realizes with
certainty that he will not last the race. Knowing this, and knowing Senna’s ego and his need to prove he’s fastest,
Prost decides to drive 11/10th’s and push Senna hard, setting fastest lap after fastest lap. Senna takes the bait,
and increases his pace to match Prost and maintain or increase his gap. Prost however, is deliberately driving at
such a pace as to put himself the wrong side of his fuel reading, leaving him not enough to finish the race. He is
making Senna do the same. Now if Senna had really thought about it, he would have realized that Prost simply does
not do things like that, that’s he’s too great a thinker to miscalculate his fuel supply. Senna takes the bait
however, thinks only of proving he can match Prost’s challenge, be as fast, stay ahead. Half way through the race,
Prost duly drops out with engine failure, and the damage to Senna is done. In the late stages he is so marginal on
fuel that he’s had to cut back dramatically, and the Ferraris are now breathing down his neck. Senna feels a desperate
need to get by a rookie in traffic at a risky place, they collide, and his race is over. It was a long shot on Prost’s
part, but his actions did, in the end, have a compromising effect on Senna’s race, even long after Prost had dropped out."

http://www.grandprixhistory.org/ramble5.htm

Senna and Schlesser colliding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ3e4tRpCKE
Maybe not then, if the above is anything to go by.

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Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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Schlessor must have been paid a backhander by Ferrari.

Evangelion

8,598 posts

207 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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ranacc said:
Anyone know if the story on this link about the race is true?

"Prost ... Senna ... etc"
I'd agree with that. Some other interesting articles on that site; like the "Ugly Grand Prix Cars" one particularly.

Nicholas Blair

4,111 posts

313 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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Not taking anything away from Berger -A sweet victory for an underated driver in my opinion.

bigbadbikercats

651 posts

237 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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ranacc said:
Anyone know if the story on this link about the race is true?

[snip]
I have no idea if that's actually true or not but it's so utterly characteristic of what I know about Prost, Senna and the relationship between the two that I feel it ought to be true and I want it to be true... :-)

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JG