Formula 2 or GP2?
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Well seeing as GP2 is faster, better sounding (V8 vs 4 pot) much bigger racing budgets and the longer established Formulae they are probably classed as the 'higher' class of racing.
Whether that makes for better racing i have no idea.
Most of the current drivers have come through the GP2 series, but that i mainly beacause the recent re-fomalisation of the current incarnantion of F2
Whether that makes for better racing i have no idea.
Most of the current drivers have come through the GP2 series, but that i mainly beacause the recent re-fomalisation of the current incarnantion of F2
GP2 is better.
F2 was Mosley's brainchild to try and take something away from Bernie. It didn't work due to giving the tender to Palmer and Palmer's insistence that the aged Audi 1.8t engines would be good for a reliable 450hp with little work.
Williams missed a trick by coming up with a clean sheet design rather than simplifying the aero on an old F1 design. What they came up with is essentially a house brick with poor aero.
The GP2 cars were designed to be faster than the old F3000 cars, the F2 cars were designed to be cheaper than the GP2 cars. Go figure.
F2 was Mosley's brainchild to try and take something away from Bernie. It didn't work due to giving the tender to Palmer and Palmer's insistence that the aged Audi 1.8t engines would be good for a reliable 450hp with little work.
Williams missed a trick by coming up with a clean sheet design rather than simplifying the aero on an old F1 design. What they came up with is essentially a house brick with poor aero.
The GP2 cars were designed to be faster than the old F3000 cars, the F2 cars were designed to be cheaper than the GP2 cars. Go figure.
Formula 2 does seem good value for up and coming drivers; especially after reading this:
http://ipatter.com/spiritmotorsportltd?CL=3761
http://ipatter.com/spiritmotorsportltd?CL=3761
carmarthenf1 said:
Formula 2 does seem good value for up and coming drivers; especially after reading this:
http://ipatter.com/spiritmotorsportltd?CL=3761
I suggest you do a search on Pistonheads for Andrew Cowan and Spirit Motorsport.http://ipatter.com/spiritmotorsportltd?CL=3761
That offer is a scam/sham. It has nothing to do with F2.
To further my answer to the original question, the prize for winning the F2 championship is a season in GP2.
Nothing further your honour.
Life Saab Itch said:
To further my answer to the original question, the prize for winning the F2 championship is a season in GP2.
Nothing further your honour.
The prize for winning F2 is a F1 test with Williams, and 2nd & 3rd receive a GP2 test. The top three then also become eligible for a Super Licence. Nothing further your honour.
Very few drivers from F2 will ever go onto GP2 because of budget issues. There's a very good reason why drivers choose F2 over GP2 - because its £250k a season, compared to £1.25m. Anyone with any budget / money to take them up the motorsport ladder will (quickly) side step F2.
Andy
I have watched both and found much to enjoy. The F2 cars might be relatively basic aero-wise but stand on the outfield at Maggotts and the direction change will still take your breath away, make no mistake. After last year's Silverstone meeting, I rather felt that there were too many make-weights in F2, too many older guys wanting a single-seater experience but not career racers. FPA rather fell into that trap in the middle of its lifespan as well. GP2 cars are wonderful pieces of kit but the season is so expensive, especially as Asia now seems a prerequisite too. The original 2005 chassis still seems to have been the best in terms of overtaking and that wonderful move by Lewis at Silverstone in 2006 still gives me goosebumps - the entire stand on its feet in unison cheering him on. Magic.
The major issue for me as a fan of our sport's past is that they are both one-make series. While GP2 is not centrally run, it is still 20-odd Dallaras fighting one another. The HSCC's delightful Historic F2 battle at Donington last weekend featured Ralt, March, Chevron, Lotus, et al all battling with Hart, BMW and Cosworth motors. In fact, MSV organised the HF2 as support to the current F2 at Donington two years ago. Seeing so many different shapes and sounds only highlighted the slightly anodyne nature of the ubiquitous Audi 4-pot. Especially as I can still recall sitting at the outside of Old Hall watching the pack trying (in vain) to keep up with Justin Wilson all those years ago in FPA. Sounds the same, even - to an extent - looks the same.
To summarise: A multi-marque formula which challenges designers, engineers and drivers would surely be the best possible solution.
The major issue for me as a fan of our sport's past is that they are both one-make series. While GP2 is not centrally run, it is still 20-odd Dallaras fighting one another. The HSCC's delightful Historic F2 battle at Donington last weekend featured Ralt, March, Chevron, Lotus, et al all battling with Hart, BMW and Cosworth motors. In fact, MSV organised the HF2 as support to the current F2 at Donington two years ago. Seeing so many different shapes and sounds only highlighted the slightly anodyne nature of the ubiquitous Audi 4-pot. Especially as I can still recall sitting at the outside of Old Hall watching the pack trying (in vain) to keep up with Justin Wilson all those years ago in FPA. Sounds the same, even - to an extent - looks the same.
To summarise: A multi-marque formula which challenges designers, engineers and drivers would surely be the best possible solution.
chevronb37 said:
Dan Friel said:
chevronb37 said:
To summarise: A multi-marque formula which challenges designers, engineers and drivers would surely be the best possible solution.
You mean like Formula 3??
I am probably in the minority here, but I love Superleague! They are big cars with tons of grip but they move around and the noise is absolutely phenomenal - just out of this world. Watching out on the Brands GP Loop last year was very special. Craig Dolby is one hell of a racer as well.
chevronb37 said:
To summarise: A multi-marque formula which challenges designers, engineers and drivers would surely be the best possible solution.
No idea how their lap times would compare, but surely races between the cars from each of these series would be a good place to start?FR3.5, AutoGP, Superleague, F2 and GP2.
Is the BOSS Formula still going? I watched a few of those races, with a mix of Indycar, F1 and assorted others, and always enjoyed them.
BOSS is out this weekend at Donington, I would be going but university work has said otherwise 
Here is a (massive) graph showing the performance differences: http://www.formulatwo.com/data/assets/f211/img/Ame...
Here is a (massive) graph showing the performance differences: http://www.formulatwo.com/data/assets/f211/img/Ame...
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