Why are early Porsche owners not considered!
Discussion
I need a bit of support and help here guys from as many 996/993/964/968/944 owners as possible. Basically I have been trying to get decent tyres manufactured in the following sizes:
205/50r17
255/40r17
Anyone who currently owns a 964, 993, 996 (with 17's), 944, 968 and perhaps others, will know that there is effectively no decent rubber in these sizes. I have been sending emails back and forth with Michelin and other manufacturers to get decent tyres made for the older Porsches. Using Michelin as an example MPS4 and CUP2's is what I have requested. It is proving difficult and perhaps some of the emails below will help to clarify:
Hi ***, I've done a fair bit of market research now regarding this subject and it appears I am certainly not alone in struggling to find the correct tyre package. Also 964, 993, 968 and 944 owners all struggle to get decent tyres in 205/50r17 and 255/40r17. Could you please make inroads into addressing this as there is a significant market here left out having to fit inferior tyres. I would be very grateful if you could provide some feedback as to whether it is possible for these sizes to be made; preferably in Porsche specific compounds as a good friend has tested CUP2's on a 964RS and they were not very stable or predictable, perhaps due to them not being 'N' rated? Please note I am aware that 255/40r17 are already available but I am unable to use them with no 205/50r17 option for the front axle as I don't want to mix tyres across axles. Kind regards Richard
Richard, It simply comes down to two factors. The normal one is the volume of vehicles and tyres out there. So it’s not so much of an issue with Porsches as there appears to be still a lot of older cars on the roads. If you consider other brands, the number of cars on the roads always decreases through the years. Hence lower demand, for a lower volume of tyres. Hence as sizes change, the capacity for tyre production has to be spread over a thinner slice, e.g. more sizes, more diversity and more complexity. Hence with newer ranges we always focus on the cars and sizes where there are most options on the market. Porsche is even more complex. As we are not allowed to “N” mark ranges on older cars, if they aren’t approved for newer cars, we can’t just swap the “N” markings over to the new ranges. Porsche control their approvals process very strictly. So when new ranges come out we still have to work extremely hard on trying to apply them to older models. The biggest limit however is volume vs. costs. To build, design and spec a new dimension is fairly high costs, as it needs tested, approved and signed off by all the regulatory authorities too. Which more often than not limits us doing small volume specialist runs, especially without manufacturer approval, as in the case of Porsche, a lot of countries and owners, still won’t fit them if they aren’t “N” marked
Hi ****, thanks for the info, does this simply mean that the older Porsche's are simply not going to catered for any more? I need to find the right tyres for this project urgently. I weighted a CUP 2 in 255/40r17 last week and was happy with the weight. Problem is you do not have a 205/50r17 for the front axle so I am stuck. Same with MPS4, nothing available. It is the same with many of the tyre manufacturers I have contacted. It is a real shame that so many customers are left with no option's going forward. With this being the current situation, I currently have MPS2 fitted and may have to use these again in the sizes required. I would be grateful if you could please let me know how much a 205/50r17 and also a 255/40r17 weight in Michelin Pilot Sport 2, 'N' rated (I think they are an N3)? Kind regards Richard
Richard, It’s difficult, but bear in mind we only have a limited production capacity and development spend. Older tyres will continue to be made as there is an agreement with Porsche (continuation to supply) meaning we will make these tyres PS2 N until at least 2020. So the restrictions of the “N” marking and the fact Porsche have to permit the tests an approval mean that it’s difficult and those customers often want more modern tyres. I’m not the person who makes these decisions so please don’t shoot the messenger PS2 weights Front=9.404kg, Rear=10.745kg
That's the problem ****, none of the owners of these cars are interested in the older spec tyres, they want the benefits the newer MPS4 and CUP2 compounds bring. I understand it may not make commercial sense, but surely there must be an element of 'looking after long-standing customers' that enters the equation. Perhaps, I should raise the profile of this issue and get some signatures from fellow Porsche owners to add a bit more weight as there are many disappointed owners rolling about on naff previous gen rubber. Kind regards Richard
Richard, I agree.. then you’ll hit the stumbling block of Porsche. I’m going to have to crack on with other things today I’m afraid, I’ve a huge amount on
'N' rating is a side issue; having non-'N' rated would be all that is needed. These sizes are also not solely for Porsche. I'm sure there are plenty of other cars that have this tyre size. My apologies for taking your time with this Jamie. If there is perhaps someone else I should contact regarding upscaling production to cover this sector of the market I would gladly leave you in peace. Kind regards Richard
Richard, ****, my collegue in OE2 is another contact, but again he won’t tell you anything different. If you look at all the 996’s for example, while it’s not so strict in the UK on “N” rating, a lot of owners and dealers in other countries won’t touch a tyre that’s not “N” marked. So the “N” marking isn’t a side issue, it’s a huge one, as it cuts the number of cars that may fit the tyres significantly. Plus our focus on new products is always going to be current OE as that’s where the volume of new cars is.
You are correct to an extent ****. N rating is related to the Porsche warranty scheme. That meaning cars under 8 years of age have to have 'N' rated tyres fitted in order to comply. So 996, 993, 964, 944, 968 owners are all looking at the best tyres available now an not which one are 'N' rated. I will open a discussion forum regarding this issue to see what kind of response there is. Kind regards Richard
205/50r17
255/40r17
Anyone who currently owns a 964, 993, 996 (with 17's), 944, 968 and perhaps others, will know that there is effectively no decent rubber in these sizes. I have been sending emails back and forth with Michelin and other manufacturers to get decent tyres made for the older Porsches. Using Michelin as an example MPS4 and CUP2's is what I have requested. It is proving difficult and perhaps some of the emails below will help to clarify:
Hi ***, I've done a fair bit of market research now regarding this subject and it appears I am certainly not alone in struggling to find the correct tyre package. Also 964, 993, 968 and 944 owners all struggle to get decent tyres in 205/50r17 and 255/40r17. Could you please make inroads into addressing this as there is a significant market here left out having to fit inferior tyres. I would be very grateful if you could provide some feedback as to whether it is possible for these sizes to be made; preferably in Porsche specific compounds as a good friend has tested CUP2's on a 964RS and they were not very stable or predictable, perhaps due to them not being 'N' rated? Please note I am aware that 255/40r17 are already available but I am unable to use them with no 205/50r17 option for the front axle as I don't want to mix tyres across axles. Kind regards Richard
Richard, It simply comes down to two factors. The normal one is the volume of vehicles and tyres out there. So it’s not so much of an issue with Porsches as there appears to be still a lot of older cars on the roads. If you consider other brands, the number of cars on the roads always decreases through the years. Hence lower demand, for a lower volume of tyres. Hence as sizes change, the capacity for tyre production has to be spread over a thinner slice, e.g. more sizes, more diversity and more complexity. Hence with newer ranges we always focus on the cars and sizes where there are most options on the market. Porsche is even more complex. As we are not allowed to “N” mark ranges on older cars, if they aren’t approved for newer cars, we can’t just swap the “N” markings over to the new ranges. Porsche control their approvals process very strictly. So when new ranges come out we still have to work extremely hard on trying to apply them to older models. The biggest limit however is volume vs. costs. To build, design and spec a new dimension is fairly high costs, as it needs tested, approved and signed off by all the regulatory authorities too. Which more often than not limits us doing small volume specialist runs, especially without manufacturer approval, as in the case of Porsche, a lot of countries and owners, still won’t fit them if they aren’t “N” marked
Hi ****, thanks for the info, does this simply mean that the older Porsche's are simply not going to catered for any more? I need to find the right tyres for this project urgently. I weighted a CUP 2 in 255/40r17 last week and was happy with the weight. Problem is you do not have a 205/50r17 for the front axle so I am stuck. Same with MPS4, nothing available. It is the same with many of the tyre manufacturers I have contacted. It is a real shame that so many customers are left with no option's going forward. With this being the current situation, I currently have MPS2 fitted and may have to use these again in the sizes required. I would be grateful if you could please let me know how much a 205/50r17 and also a 255/40r17 weight in Michelin Pilot Sport 2, 'N' rated (I think they are an N3)? Kind regards Richard
Richard, It’s difficult, but bear in mind we only have a limited production capacity and development spend. Older tyres will continue to be made as there is an agreement with Porsche (continuation to supply) meaning we will make these tyres PS2 N until at least 2020. So the restrictions of the “N” marking and the fact Porsche have to permit the tests an approval mean that it’s difficult and those customers often want more modern tyres. I’m not the person who makes these decisions so please don’t shoot the messenger PS2 weights Front=9.404kg, Rear=10.745kg
That's the problem ****, none of the owners of these cars are interested in the older spec tyres, they want the benefits the newer MPS4 and CUP2 compounds bring. I understand it may not make commercial sense, but surely there must be an element of 'looking after long-standing customers' that enters the equation. Perhaps, I should raise the profile of this issue and get some signatures from fellow Porsche owners to add a bit more weight as there are many disappointed owners rolling about on naff previous gen rubber. Kind regards Richard
Richard, I agree.. then you’ll hit the stumbling block of Porsche. I’m going to have to crack on with other things today I’m afraid, I’ve a huge amount on
'N' rating is a side issue; having non-'N' rated would be all that is needed. These sizes are also not solely for Porsche. I'm sure there are plenty of other cars that have this tyre size. My apologies for taking your time with this Jamie. If there is perhaps someone else I should contact regarding upscaling production to cover this sector of the market I would gladly leave you in peace. Kind regards Richard
Richard, ****, my collegue in OE2 is another contact, but again he won’t tell you anything different. If you look at all the 996’s for example, while it’s not so strict in the UK on “N” rating, a lot of owners and dealers in other countries won’t touch a tyre that’s not “N” marked. So the “N” marking isn’t a side issue, it’s a huge one, as it cuts the number of cars that may fit the tyres significantly. Plus our focus on new products is always going to be current OE as that’s where the volume of new cars is.
You are correct to an extent ****. N rating is related to the Porsche warranty scheme. That meaning cars under 8 years of age have to have 'N' rated tyres fitted in order to comply. So 996, 993, 964, 944, 968 owners are all looking at the best tyres available now an not which one are 'N' rated. I will open a discussion forum regarding this issue to see what kind of response there is. Kind regards Richard
205 / 50/ 17 is standard 986 boxster front - I was most disappointed to find that the new Pilot Sport 4 is not available in that size, N rated or not. Harumph.
(To be honest its very annoying as theres a number of tyres that are only available to suit front, or rear, but not both, including the excellent Bridgestone Potenza Adrenalin 002 which I loved on a previous car.
(To be honest its very annoying as theres a number of tyres that are only available to suit front, or rear, but not both, including the excellent Bridgestone Potenza Adrenalin 002 which I loved on a previous car.
anonymous said:
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There is an additional problem in the case of my project J; I didn't want to muddy the water here with the specifics though but as you have asked, here is the issue:The ultra sticky stuff like R888R or the V70A is heavy.
The PS2 is considered a light tyre but I can shed 0.553kg from the front and 0.745kg from a rear by using the lightest options I have found.
CUP2's are also relatively light or at least worth fitting due to the performance gains vs weight compromise.
ETA:
Conti SC3 are the lightest tyre, but in the 205/50r17 they are only V rated. In Feb17 though this will be addressed when the new tyre comes out in a 93Y. The new Conti SC is also being rebranded to 'Premium Contact 6' so bare this in mind if you are looking for Sport contact's in future.
Edited by CarreraLightweightRacing on Monday 12th December 16:46
ahh Cmoose - thank god you've arrived 
The issue is 17" tyresizes front *and* rear - more people, even your good self are realising that 17s are a superb dynamic for anything from 944 through to 996 and 986.
And no you can't get decent modern tyres in 255/40/17 - and even if you go GY A2 they don't make a matching 205/50.
So (now that the Bridgestone S02 is discontinued) the choices for 17" tyres on the older Porsche are.....
MPS2 N3
Yoko AD08R
(Conti SC2 are really old and really poor.)
If you want to go slightly off-size, then 225/45 on the front is an option, but not if you want the delicate and telepathic steering that the 205/50 brings to the party.
But what goes on the rear?
The issue is 17" tyresizes front *and* rear - more people, even your good self are realising that 17s are a superb dynamic for anything from 944 through to 996 and 986.
And no you can't get decent modern tyres in 255/40/17 - and even if you go GY A2 they don't make a matching 205/50.
So (now that the Bridgestone S02 is discontinued) the choices for 17" tyres on the older Porsche are.....
MPS2 N3
Yoko AD08R
(Conti SC2 are really old and really poor.)
If you want to go slightly off-size, then 225/45 on the front is an option, but not if you want the delicate and telepathic steering that the 205/50 brings to the party.
But what goes on the rear?
Just for info, 996.2s have 18" wheels as standard, so it's unlikely you'll get a lot of help from owners of cars after 2001, unless they're presented with demonstrable, significant improvements by changing to 17" wheel and tyres.
Even at 18" though, I struggled to find a desirable 285/30 tyre and had to go for 275/35 PS4s, so I do have sympathy for this issue.
Even at 18" though, I struggled to find a desirable 285/30 tyre and had to go for 275/35 PS4s, so I do have sympathy for this issue.
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Richard, It’s difficult, but bear in mind we only have a limited production capacity and development spend. Older tyres will continue to be made as there is an agreement with Porsche (continuation to supply) meaning we will make these tyres PS2 N until at least 2020. So the restrictions of the “N” marking and the fact Porsche have to permit the tests an approval mean that it’s difficult and those customers often want more modern tyres. I’m not the person who makes these decisions so please don’t shoot the messenger PS2 weights Front=9.404kg, Rear=10.745kg
That's the problem ****, none of the owners of these cars are interested in the older spec tyres, they want the benefits the newer MPS4 and CUP2 compounds bring. I understand it may not make commercial sense, but surely there must be an element of 'looking after long-standing customers' that enters the equation. Perhaps, I should raise the profile of this issue and get some signatures from fellow Porsche owners to add a bit more weight as there are many disappointed owners rolling about on naff previous gen rubber. Kind regards Richard
So in 3 years time, what is every 964/993/996/986 owner going to fit on their 17" rear wheels?That's the problem ****, none of the owners of these cars are interested in the older spec tyres, they want the benefits the newer MPS4 and CUP2 compounds bring. I understand it may not make commercial sense, but surely there must be an element of 'looking after long-standing customers' that enters the equation. Perhaps, I should raise the profile of this issue and get some signatures from fellow Porsche owners to add a bit more weight as there are many disappointed owners rolling about on naff previous gen rubber. Kind regards Richard
And yes we have already seen 'fashion' switch back from 18s to 17s, so in 3 years time demand will be higher.
All Michelin would have to do to take the market is make the MPS4 in 205/50 and 255/40.
Nobody in their right mind cares about N-rating on these cars, and nobody would fit a Conti SC2/3 or a 1980s Pirelli to a sports car.
EGTE said:
Just for info, 996.2s have 18" wheels as standard, so it's unlikely you'll get a lot of help from owners of cars after 2001, unless they're presented with demonstrable, significant improvements by changing to 17" wheel and tyres.
This 996.2 was on 17s at Nurburg, Spa, Brands and Goodwood - it drove very well.
EGTE said:
Even at 18" though, I struggled to find a desirable 285/30 tyre and had to go for 275/35 PS4s, so I do have sympathy for this issue.
Again, if they chose to produce a wider PS4 18" or two, Michelin corner the older-Porsche market for the next ten years.
MUM - someone on the internet is calling me names 
Orangecurry said:
So in 3 years time, what is every 964/993/996/986 owner going to fit on their 17" rear wheels?
Yep, it's a tricky one, there's a definite lack of choice in that 255/40/17 size.BFGOODRICH
G-FORCE RIVAL S
BRIDGESTONE
POTENZA RE-11
BRIDGESTONE
POTENZA RE-71R
BRIDGESTONE
POTENZA RE070
DUNLOP
DIREZZA ZII STAR SPEC
FALKEN
AZENIS RT615K
HANKOOK
VENTUS R-S3 (VERSION 2)
KUMHO
ECSTA V720
NEXEN
N FERA SUR4
TOYO
PROXES R1R
YOKOHAMA
ADVAN NEOVA AD08 R
BRIDGESTONE
POTENZA S-02 A
BRIDGESTONE
POTENZA S-04 POLE POSITION
CONTINENTAL
CONTISPORTCONTACT 2
CONTINENTAL
CONTISPORTCONTACT 3
CONTINENTAL
EXTREMECONTACT DW
HANKOOK
VENTUS V12 EVO2
MICHELIN
PILOT SPORT PS2
PIRELLI
P ZERO NERO GT
PIRELLI
P ZERO ROSSO
SUMITOMO
HTR Z III
BFGOODRICH
G-FORCE COMP-2 A/S
CONTINENTAL
EXTREMECONTACT DWS 06
GENERAL
G-MAX AS-03
KUMHO
ECSTA 4X II
MICHELIN
PILOT SPORT A/S 3
MICHELIN
PILOT SPORT A/S 3+
YOKOHAMA
ADVAN SPORT A/S
BFGOODRICH
G-FORCE SPORT COMP-2
DUNLOP
DIREZZA DZ102
FIRESTONE
FIREHAWK INDY 500
KUMHO
ECSTA PS31
KUMHO
ECSTA SPT XRP
RIKEN
RAPTOR ZR
SUMITOMO
HTR Z II
YOKOHAMA
S.DRIVE
BRIDGESTONE
DRIVEGUARD
CONTINENTAL
CONTIPROCONTACT
KUMHO
SOLUS TA71
MICHELIN
PRIMACY MXM4
MICHELIN
PILOT SPORT CUP 2
PIRELLI
P ZERO TROFEO R
YOKOHAMA
AVID ENVIGOR ZPS
MICHELIN
PRIMACY HP
Looks like there'll be a glut of cheap 964/993/996/986's coming to the market in 2020
Slippydiff said:
Yep, it's a tricky one, there's a definite lack of choice in that 255/40/17 size.
(list)
Seriously?(list)
I'm not prepared to go through that lot one by one, but 98.5% of them are old, poor or both.
And you know it.
(ETA or don't have a matching 205/50, which some people have missed the point)
Edited by Orangecurry on Monday 12th December 18:25
chriscoates81 said:
I don't think a 17 will fit on a c4s tho as the discs/calipers are too big(even as a 996 version).
? sorry do you mean a WB 996 can't wear 17s?Dunno - do we have any owners who could look at the door plate for us?
But I'm happy there are a few 944/968/964/993/996.1(NB)/986.1 who need a decent 255/40 with a matching 205/50.
Michelin have an opportunity to step into a ready-and-waiting market.
My Cayman R is on MPS2s (19 inch) for its road tyres. Many keep referring to the MPS2 as old tech because it was developed so long ago (10+ years?). However in my experience it's a tyre that has stood the test of time. Fair play to Michelin for developing such a great sport/road tyre all those years ago. When mine are worn down I'll replace them with exactly the same. They're that good IMO.
boxsey said:
My Cayman R is on MPS2s (19 inch) for its road tyres. Many keep referring to the MPS2 as old tech because it was developed so long ago (10+ years?). However in my experience it's a tyre that has stood the test of time. Fair play to Michelin for developing such a great sport/road tyre all those years ago. When mine are worn down I'll replace them with exactly the same. They're that good IMO.
2003 IIRC - but I agree 100% that they and the (now defunct) S02 stood the test of time.... but even Michelin will tell you that the PS4 is a significant improvement over the PS2.And more importantly, it sounds like they won't be made in 17" in three years time.
Orangecurry said:
Seriously?
I'm not prepared to go through that lot one by one, but 98.5% of them are old, poor or both.
And you know it.
(ETA or don't have a matching 205/50, which some people have missed the point)
So, out of fifty tyre makes/types you can't find something decent with matching 205 fronts ? I'd say you're not trying very hard ....I'm not prepared to go through that lot one by one, but 98.5% of them are old, poor or both.
And you know it.
(ETA or don't have a matching 205/50, which some people have missed the point)
Edit to add.
All available with the correct 20/50/17 fronts :
YOKOHAMA
ADVAN NEOVA AD08 R
BRIDGESTONE
POTENZA RE-11
YOKOHAMA
S.DRIVE
KUMHO
ECSTA PS31
DUNLOP
DIREZZA DZ102
BFGOODRICH
G-FORCE SPORT COMP-2
MICHELIN
PILOT SPORT PS2
HANKOOK
VENTUS V12 EVO2
CONTINENTAL
EXTREMECONTACT DW
BRIDGESTONE
POTENZA S-04 POLE POSITION
BRIDGESTONE
POTENZA S-02 A
MICHELIN
PILOT SPORT A/S 3 (W- OR Y-SPEED
KUMHO
ECSTA 4X II
GENERAL
G-MAX AS-03
CONTINENTAL
EXTREMECONTACT DWS 06
There's at least 5 (minimum) in the above list I'd happily bolt onto a 270-330hp rear engined 911.
Edited by Slippydiff on Monday 12th December 19:18
There is a bit more to it that that, when you factor in speed rating, there are not many that are a 'W' let alone a 'Y', which is actually what is needed to comply with TUV for a 996. Also I have already contacted the following:
Yokohama
Kumho
Toyo
Michelin
Continental
Bridgestone
Continental
Many are a non-starter for me as they are simply too heavy (sometimes 2kg per tyre more than the lightest option). I am struggling to find the combination of the 205 and the 255 in the same tyre, that have the correct speed rating and are at the lighter end of the spectrum.
There is a grip vs weight calculation that I allow for extremely good tyres (CUP2 for instance) to allow for a bit of the extra weight but primarily, the gyro effect of an extra 1kg per tyre on a non-PAS car is not something I can overlook.
Yokohama
Kumho
Toyo
Michelin
Continental
Bridgestone
Continental
Many are a non-starter for me as they are simply too heavy (sometimes 2kg per tyre more than the lightest option). I am struggling to find the combination of the 205 and the 255 in the same tyre, that have the correct speed rating and are at the lighter end of the spectrum.
There is a grip vs weight calculation that I allow for extremely good tyres (CUP2 for instance) to allow for a bit of the extra weight but primarily, the gyro effect of an extra 1kg per tyre on a non-PAS car is not something I can overlook.
If I must and I did say this on page one........
So which other tyre would you fit?
Two tyres are ok, but neither modern, and one more track-oriented
and I did say this on page one........So which other tyre would you fit?
Two tyres are ok, but neither modern, and one more track-oriented
Slippydiff said:
YOKOHAMA
ADVAN NEOVA AD08 R
MICHELIN
PILOT SPORT PS2
I have considered the Ventus, but reviews complain about sidewall strength, or poor in the wet or bothADVAN NEOVA AD08 R
MICHELIN
PILOT SPORT PS2
Slippydiff said:
HANKOOK
VENTUS V12 EVO2
ridiculously old or not available in the UK or a touring tyre (MPS3 for example) or rubbish or all of the aboveVENTUS V12 EVO2
Slippydiff said:
BRIDGESTONE
POTENZA RE-11
YOKOHAMA
S.DRIVE
KUMHO
ECSTA PS31
DUNLOP
DIREZZA DZ102
BFGOODRICH
G-FORCE SPORT COMP-2
CONTINENTAL
EXTREMECONTACT DW
BRIDGESTONE
POTENZA S-04 POLE POSITION
BRIDGESTONE
POTENZA S-02 A
MICHELIN
PILOT SPORT A/S 3 (W- OR Y-SPEED
KUMHO
ECSTA 4X II
GENERAL
G-MAX AS-03
CONTINENTAL
EXTREMECONTACT DWS 06
POTENZA RE-11
YOKOHAMA
S.DRIVE
KUMHO
ECSTA PS31
DUNLOP
DIREZZA DZ102
BFGOODRICH
G-FORCE SPORT COMP-2
CONTINENTAL
EXTREMECONTACT DW
BRIDGESTONE
POTENZA S-04 POLE POSITION
BRIDGESTONE
POTENZA S-02 A
MICHELIN
PILOT SPORT A/S 3 (W- OR Y-SPEED
KUMHO
ECSTA 4X II
GENERAL
G-MAX AS-03
CONTINENTAL
EXTREMECONTACT DWS 06
Orangecurry said:
If I must and I did say this on page one........
So which other tyre would you fit?
Two tyres are ok, but neither modern, and one more track-oriented
Oh the irony, PH's leading long time proponent of not using N rated tyres on Stuttgart's finest now getting sniffy about tyre brands and construction. and I did say this on page one........So which other tyre would you fit?
Two tyres are ok, but neither modern, and one more track-oriented
Slippydiff said:
YOKOHAMA
ADVAN NEOVA AD08 R
MICHELIN
PILOT SPORT PS2
I have considered the Ventus, but reviews complain about sidewall strength, or poor in the wet or bothADVAN NEOVA AD08 R
MICHELIN
PILOT SPORT PS2
Slippydiff said:
HANKOOK
VENTUS V12 EVO2
ridiculously old or not available in the UK or a touring tyre (MPS3 for example) or rubbish or all of the aboveVENTUS V12 EVO2
Slippydiff said:
BRIDGESTONE
POTENZA RE-11
YOKOHAMA
S.DRIVE
KUMHO
ECSTA PS31
DUNLOP
DIREZZA DZ102
BFGOODRICH
G-FORCE SPORT COMP-2
CONTINENTAL
EXTREMECONTACT DW
BRIDGESTONE
POTENZA S-04 POLE POSITION
BRIDGESTONE
POTENZA S-02 A
MICHELIN
PILOT SPORT A/S 3 (W- OR Y-SPEED
KUMHO
ECSTA 4X II
GENERAL
G-MAX AS-03
CONTINENTAL
EXTREMECONTACT DWS 06
POTENZA RE-11
YOKOHAMA
S.DRIVE
KUMHO
ECSTA PS31
DUNLOP
DIREZZA DZ102
BFGOODRICH
G-FORCE SPORT COMP-2
CONTINENTAL
EXTREMECONTACT DW
BRIDGESTONE
POTENZA S-04 POLE POSITION
BRIDGESTONE
POTENZA S-02 A
MICHELIN
PILOT SPORT A/S 3 (W- OR Y-SPEED
KUMHO
ECSTA 4X II
GENERAL
G-MAX AS-03
CONTINENTAL
EXTREMECONTACT DWS 06
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