sports auto's GT2 RS lap, 6.58.
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https://youtu.be/sl0HtR6MaXs
I know I am back to automatic cars again !!! lol
but it's a sub 7 minute time with no hassle, I only counted one steering correction and only a few manual gear changes at key slower points, the rest was all Automatic, sluring it's way though the gears mid bend zero loss of traction and as I say one steering correction.
Any way 6.58 with zero drama, all the drama is finding those extra 11 seconds the factory driver got.
we are in funny times atm imo , people seem to want to go faster and faster and have more automation, That was clear on the PDK is dull thread and also clear in the small amount of people who went manual In the new GT3.
O well driving is dead.
I know I am back to automatic cars again !!! lol
but it's a sub 7 minute time with no hassle, I only counted one steering correction and only a few manual gear changes at key slower points, the rest was all Automatic, sluring it's way though the gears mid bend zero loss of traction and as I say one steering correction.
Any way 6.58 with zero drama, all the drama is finding those extra 11 seconds the factory driver got.
we are in funny times atm imo , people seem to want to go faster and faster and have more automation, That was clear on the PDK is dull thread and also clear in the small amount of people who went manual In the new GT3.
O well driving is dead.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 6th June 12:06
ChrisW. said:
And PDK only gives you more mind-space to be smooth ...
PDK makes every thing easy hence the point of the vid/post.it's not about the gear change, as you stated the mind space is also not worked he was thinking about what to have for lunch later I bet ;-)
imo it's about braking more than gear change.
But add in thinking time, gearing changing, braking, heal and toe, Threshold braking etc etc it all adds up to easy as pie if you drive a PDK car.
I doubt he even left foot braked that lap, I noticed slight lift off to get the car tucked in some times that's it.
computer driving at it's best
A good friend of mine has always had manual Porsches and still owns them - 964C2 and 996 turbo. Also has a westy. He's a very good peddlar around a track. He's just bought my old Cayman R PDK and absolutely loves it and is looking forward to using it on trackdays. Times change and technology changes and many people embrace and like the changes and differences.
boxsey said:
A good friend of mine has always had manual Porsches and still owns them - 964C2 and 996 turbo. Also has a westy. He's a very good peddlar around a track. He's just bought my old Cayman R PDK and absolutely loves it and is looking forward to using it on trackdays. Times change and technology changes and many people embrace and like the changes and differences.
the key point here is you sold a PDK car and went back to manual ;-)Porsche911R said:
boxsey said:
A good friend of mine has always had manual Porsches and still owns them - 964C2 and 996 turbo. Also has a westy. He's a very good peddlar around a track. He's just bought my old Cayman R PDK and absolutely loves it and is looking forward to using it on trackdays. Times change and technology changes and many people embrace and like the changes and differences.
the key point here is you sold a PDK car and went back to manual ;-)BTW it's good to see the trend of 964 owners getting into CRs, as Grant has done, is continuing . :-)
I get the point in that there is a lack of interaction and the car is doing a bit for the driver. - But he is quick and still has a lot to do.
Smooth is fast and driving styles differ, because the guy is not sawing at the wheel does not mean that he not on the ragged edge.
If you really want to see a car do a lot for the driver watch this video, what a bell end!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHeKOEN_0sM
Smooth is fast and driving styles differ, because the guy is not sawing at the wheel does not mean that he not on the ragged edge.
If you really want to see a car do a lot for the driver watch this video, what a bell end!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHeKOEN_0sM
Edited by CrashBang on Thursday 7th June 13:43
It's not just the PDK box it's the electronic systems....their ability to control how the power gets put down is staggering....which is something shared with the Manual cars obviously. When I was at the PEC last week the instructor made me pull up on the side of the low grip surface where the kick plate is. Two passenger side tyres on the normal tarmac and two driver's side wheel on the low slip surface...I then put my foot down pretty aggressively which triggered an almighty amount of wheel spinning on the drivers side wheels whilst the passenger side wheel had loads of grip. Amazingly car was very controllable and pretty easy to keep pointing straight ahead...I kept my foot down and the car then tried pulling away again....at the third attempt it pulled away incredibly easily(all things considered) as during the first two attempts the car was "learning" how much grip each wheel had and by applying the brakes just enough to slow down the spinning wheel drivers side wheel off we went. It was incredible....and a great demonstration of how the electronics in these cars work...none of us notice it but that's going on all the time when you're driving the car aggressively.
Cheib said:
It's not just the PDK box it's the electronic systems....their ability to control how the power gets put down is staggering....which is something shared with the Manual cars obviously. When I was at the PEC last week the instructor made me pull up on the side of the low grip surface where the kick plate is. Two passenger side tyres on the normal tarmac and two driver's side wheel on the low slip surface...I then put my foot down pretty aggressively which triggered an almighty amount of wheel spinning on the drivers side wheels whilst the passenger side wheel had loads of grip. Amazingly car was very controllable and pretty easy to keep pointing straight ahead...I kept my foot down and the car then tried pulling away again....at the third attempt it pulled away incredibly easily(all things considered) as during the first two attempts the car was "learning" how much grip each wheel had and by applying the brakes just enough to slow down the spinning wheel drivers side wheel off we went. It was incredible....and a great demonstration of how the electronics in these cars work...none of us notice it but that's going on all the time when you're driving the car aggressively.
Well put. I’ve been trying to make this point for a while now. The challenge of these cars is understanding the technology, learning to feel it working and extracting the most from it. The gear box really is a red herring. I’m convinced that this is the real challenge of these cars. A different kind of challenge but it’s still there. Forums | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff