Is the Tuscan a Supercar?
Discussion
Steve Devaney said:
Regardless of whether the Tuscan should or shouldn't be in the company of 'Supercars', the whole breakfast club thing sounds a bit Hooray Henry to me!
Shhh, don't tell anyone but I live in SW6....!Breakfast club is actually very un-'Charlie', there are actually some really amazing cars there:
http://www.goodwood.co.uk/breakfast-club/breakfast...
I was invited to join a Supercar club BECAUSE I HAVE A Tuscan Convertible by the organiser. It certainly holds it own against Fezza Spyders,F3xxs Porche 911s, Nobles ,Massers , and Corvettes and gets as much , if not more , attention from photographers... I never thought I'd say it , but the Fezzas make a sweeter sound. 
Edited by glow worm on Saturday 5th June 00:06
i believe to get supercar status a car has to speed up between two set speeds in one gear and in a certain amount of time, if a car can do this and is classed as a supercar then emmisions and noise limits are allowed to be higher than a standard car.
I could be very wrong but a fat bloke down the pub tried to explain it to me whilst i had, had a shandy or 2
I could be very wrong but a fat bloke down the pub tried to explain it to me whilst i had, had a shandy or 2
Milky400 said:
i believe to get supercar status a car has to speed up between two set speeds in one gear and in a certain amount of time, if a car can do this and is classed as a supercar then emmisions and noise limits are allowed to be higher than a standard car.
I could be very wrong but a fat bloke down the pub tried to explain it to me whilst i had, had a shandy or 2
Ahhh, the (in)famous 'Ferrari clause' in EU regulations - I've been told about it by a vehicle engineer but never seen actual proof of it existing (ok, I Googled it and found nowt I could be very wrong but a fat bloke down the pub tried to explain it to me whilst i had, had a shandy or 2
). Remember that the Tuscan came out 10 years ago. At the time, a supercar was an F355/360, 911 Turbo, Diablo etc. A Tuscan equals or exceeds their performance, it looks as/more spectacular, and turns just as many/more heads.
The only "supercar" attribute it doesn't comply with is a price tag equal to or exceeding 75% of the average house price at the time.
It's a discussion that continues to rumble on and I think it's fair to say that modern TVR's (i.e 2000 on) can be classed as borderline supercars, with the exception of the price tag.
The only "supercar" attribute it doesn't comply with is a price tag equal to or exceeding 75% of the average house price at the time.
It's a discussion that continues to rumble on and I think it's fair to say that modern TVR's (i.e 2000 on) can be classed as borderline supercars, with the exception of the price tag.
dvs_dave said:
Remember that the Tuscan came out 10 years ago. At the time, a supercar was an F355/360, 911 Turbo, Diablo etc. A Tuscan equals or exceeds their performance, it looks as/more spectacular, and turns just as many/more heads.
The only "supercar" attribute it doesn't comply with is a price tag equal to or exceeding 75% of the average house price at the time.
It's a discussion that continues to rumble on and I think it's fair to say that modern TVR's (i.e 2000 on) can be classed as borderline supercars, with the exception of the price tag.
Agree, although I wouldn't consider a F355 or 911T as a supercar.The only "supercar" attribute it doesn't comply with is a price tag equal to or exceeding 75% of the average house price at the time.
It's a discussion that continues to rumble on and I think it's fair to say that modern TVR's (i.e 2000 on) can be classed as borderline supercars, with the exception of the price tag.
Diablo/Murcie/F599/Zonda/Koningegg yes. 911/F430 no. But that's just me.
blackiepaul said:
I hope I have a "Supercar beating" TVR though
I like that, it works.I went to the event and they very kindly put my car on the main start/finish straight. A lot of interest was made, a lot of photography, even when on the move, plenty of questions as well, thankfully more about getting in and out than reliability. There were also plenty of jokes about build quality when they saw the cracked seat backs on my car.
Needless to say I was parked next to a GTR and a 355, neither of which I consider to be supercars. There were lots of Tuscans, including a couple of PH members, one Cerbie with a supercharged LS1 conversion which made me weep (If anyone knows the owner, I NEED to buy this when it comes up for sale!).
There were randomly a lot of AM V8 Vantages (80's) which I LOVE. Whoever it was, an MX5 is not a supercar. Not ever.
Left the event with a Cerbie and a Tuscan, both PH cars.
Interestingly enough though, at what point does a 911 become a supercar.....Turbo, GT2, GT2RS, GT2RSR, Ruf...?!!
Edited by tch911 on Monday 7th June 17:52
The answer is YES 
, definitely, as it offers many superlatives ...
Can be super rare, super design, super loud, super quick, ...
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia the definition says
:
Supercar is a term used most often to describe an ultra-high-end "exotic" automobile, whose performance is superior to that of its contemporaries. It has been defined specifically as "a very expensive, fast or powerful car",[1] and stated in more general terms: "it must be very fast, with sporting handling to match," "it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarefied atmosphere of its own"[2]; however, the proper application of the term is subjective and disputed, especially among enthusiasts. So-called vehicles are typically out of the ordinary and are marketed by automakers to be perceived by the public as unusual. The supercar can take many forms including limited production specials from an "elite" automaker, standard looking cars made mainstream companies that hide massive power and performance, as well as models that appeal to "hardcore enthusiasts" from "manufacturers on the fringe of the car industry."[3]
History of the term supercar
An advertisement for the Ensign Six, a 6.7 L (~409 cu in) high-performance car similar to the Bentley Speed Six, appeared in The Times for 11 November 1920 with the phrase "If you are interested in a supercar, you cannot afford to ignore the claims of the Ensign 6."[4] The Oxford English Dictionary also cites the use of the word in an advertisement for an unnamed car in The Motor dated 3 November 1920, "The Supreme development of the British super-car."[5] and defines the phrase as suggesting 'a car superior to all others'. A book published by the Research Institute of America in 1944, that previewed the economic and industrial changes to occur after World War II,[6] used the term "supercar" (author's emphasis) to describe future automobiles incorporating advances in design and technology such as flat floorpans and automatic transmissions.[7]
The phrase Supercar did not become popular until much later and is said to have has its revival originated with British motor journalist L. J. K. Setright writing about the Lamborghini Miura in CAR Magazine in the mid-1960s. The magazine was originally launched in 1962 as Small Car and Mini Owner, and claims to have "coined the phrase"[8]
In the United States, the term "supercar" predates the classification of muscle car[9] to describe the "dragstrip bred" affordable mid-size cars of the 1960s and early 1970s that were equipped with large, powerful V8 engines and rear wheel drive.[10] The combination of a potent engine in a lightweight car began with the 1957 Rambler Rebel that was described as a "veritable supercar."[11] "In 1966 the sixties supercar became an official industry trend"[12] as the four domestic automakers "needed to cash in on the supercar market" with eye-catching, heart-stopping cars.[13] Among the numerous examples of the use of the supercar description include the May 1965 issue of the American magazine Car Life, in a road test of the Pontiac GTO, and how "Hurst puts American Motors into the Supercar club with the 390 Rogue"[14] (the SC/Rambler) to fight in "the Supercar street racer gang" market segment.[15] The "SC" in the model name stood for "SuperCar".[16] The supercar market segment included regular production models[17] and limited edition, documented dealer-converted vehicles.[18]
By the 1970s and 1980s the phrase was in regular use, if not precisely defined.[19][20]
During the late 20th century, the term Supercar was used to describe "a very expensive, fast or powerful car with a centrally located engine",[21] and stated in more general terms: "it must be very fast, with sporting handling to match", "it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarefied atmosphere of its own".[22]
"Supercar" was the unofficial description for the United States Department of Commerce R&D program, Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles (PNGV), established to support domestic automakers (GM, Ford, and Chrysler) develop prototypes to reach an ambitious goal.[23] The term was applied to technologically advanced vehicles that included revolutionary fuel sources, powerplants, aerodynamics, and lightweight materials that can create an 80 mpg-US (2.9 L/100 km; 96 mpg-imp) family sedan.[24] This shift in definition and focus was in part due to the "shrinking order books" faced by traditional supercar makers and a marketplace where "no supercar now commands a premium over its list price and discounts abound."[25][26]
, definitely, as it offers many superlatives ...Can be super rare, super design, super loud, super quick, ...
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia the definition says
:Supercar is a term used most often to describe an ultra-high-end "exotic" automobile, whose performance is superior to that of its contemporaries. It has been defined specifically as "a very expensive, fast or powerful car",[1] and stated in more general terms: "it must be very fast, with sporting handling to match," "it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarefied atmosphere of its own"[2]; however, the proper application of the term is subjective and disputed, especially among enthusiasts. So-called vehicles are typically out of the ordinary and are marketed by automakers to be perceived by the public as unusual. The supercar can take many forms including limited production specials from an "elite" automaker, standard looking cars made mainstream companies that hide massive power and performance, as well as models that appeal to "hardcore enthusiasts" from "manufacturers on the fringe of the car industry."[3]
History of the term supercar
An advertisement for the Ensign Six, a 6.7 L (~409 cu in) high-performance car similar to the Bentley Speed Six, appeared in The Times for 11 November 1920 with the phrase "If you are interested in a supercar, you cannot afford to ignore the claims of the Ensign 6."[4] The Oxford English Dictionary also cites the use of the word in an advertisement for an unnamed car in The Motor dated 3 November 1920, "The Supreme development of the British super-car."[5] and defines the phrase as suggesting 'a car superior to all others'. A book published by the Research Institute of America in 1944, that previewed the economic and industrial changes to occur after World War II,[6] used the term "supercar" (author's emphasis) to describe future automobiles incorporating advances in design and technology such as flat floorpans and automatic transmissions.[7]
The phrase Supercar did not become popular until much later and is said to have has its revival originated with British motor journalist L. J. K. Setright writing about the Lamborghini Miura in CAR Magazine in the mid-1960s. The magazine was originally launched in 1962 as Small Car and Mini Owner, and claims to have "coined the phrase"[8]
In the United States, the term "supercar" predates the classification of muscle car[9] to describe the "dragstrip bred" affordable mid-size cars of the 1960s and early 1970s that were equipped with large, powerful V8 engines and rear wheel drive.[10] The combination of a potent engine in a lightweight car began with the 1957 Rambler Rebel that was described as a "veritable supercar."[11] "In 1966 the sixties supercar became an official industry trend"[12] as the four domestic automakers "needed to cash in on the supercar market" with eye-catching, heart-stopping cars.[13] Among the numerous examples of the use of the supercar description include the May 1965 issue of the American magazine Car Life, in a road test of the Pontiac GTO, and how "Hurst puts American Motors into the Supercar club with the 390 Rogue"[14] (the SC/Rambler) to fight in "the Supercar street racer gang" market segment.[15] The "SC" in the model name stood for "SuperCar".[16] The supercar market segment included regular production models[17] and limited edition, documented dealer-converted vehicles.[18]
By the 1970s and 1980s the phrase was in regular use, if not precisely defined.[19][20]
During the late 20th century, the term Supercar was used to describe "a very expensive, fast or powerful car with a centrally located engine",[21] and stated in more general terms: "it must be very fast, with sporting handling to match", "it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarefied atmosphere of its own".[22]
"Supercar" was the unofficial description for the United States Department of Commerce R&D program, Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles (PNGV), established to support domestic automakers (GM, Ford, and Chrysler) develop prototypes to reach an ambitious goal.[23] The term was applied to technologically advanced vehicles that included revolutionary fuel sources, powerplants, aerodynamics, and lightweight materials that can create an 80 mpg-US (2.9 L/100 km; 96 mpg-imp) family sedan.[24] This shift in definition and focus was in part due to the "shrinking order books" faced by traditional supercar makers and a marketplace where "no supercar now commands a premium over its list price and discounts abound."[25][26]
For me a supercar has to be over £80k, I'd count a typoon as one but no other TVR, they are just great sports cars. I don't know the strict rule for super cars but to me they have to be expensive and wide lol with plenty of theatre about them.
I would however go a supercar event in one, Why not they draw the crowds over so no one minds
I would however go a supercar event in one, Why not they draw the crowds over so no one minds
crimbo said:
For me a supercar has to be over £80k, I'd count a typoon as one but no other TVR, they are just great sports cars. I don't know the strict rule for super cars but to me they have to be expensive and wide lol with plenty of theatre about them.
I would however go a supercar event in one, Why not they draw the crowds over so no one minds
I disagree with the price tag being the deciding factor. I would however go a supercar event in one, Why not they draw the crowds over so no one minds
What's a "typoon"?
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