RE: Max Driver
Tuesday 13th July 2004

Max Driver

Max Power mag launches driver training scheme


Almost 90% of young men think they are ‘good’ or ‘very good’ drivers despite the fact that almost two thirds describe their driving as ‘fast’ and a quarter admit that they are ‘aggressive’. These stark figures are released today by the RAC Foundation, from a survey of 1525 respondents conducted by Max Power magazine.

The report suggests that key safety messages are not being received by young drivers whose perception of their driving ability contrasts starkly with the actual facts.

Road casualties figures show that the Max Power survey age group (17 – 24) suffered the highest number of road deaths and serious injuries (3,144) of any age group of drivers, or other road users and was more than double the 25 – 29 driver age group (1,437).

The situation is made even worse by the death and serious injury toll among their passengers, with 2,290 17 – 24 year olds suffering fatal or serious injuries in collisions, almost four times as many as the next highest age group.

Asked to describe their driving:

  • 86% rated themselves as ‘good’ or ‘very good’ drivers
  • 73% considered their driving to be ‘controlled’
  • 64% felt they were ‘confident’
  • 54% felt they were ‘safe’
  • 28% felt they were ‘considerate’
  • 21% thought themselves ‘patient’

but in contrast:

  • 62% described their driving as ‘fast’
  • 2% described their driving as ‘slow’
  • 38% described their driving as ‘risky’ or ‘exhilarating’
  • 25% described their driving as ‘aggressive’

Asked what might make them a better driver, only 14% suggested reading the Highway Code. On a much more positive note however, there was widespread recognition of the potential benefits of further driver training with 75% believing that they would be safer drivers.

John Sootheran, Editor-in-Chief of Max Power said: "These crash statistics are shocking, but it is encouraging that many young drivers seem keen to improve their skills ." With that in mind, Max Power has teamed up with the Institute of Advanced Motorists to launch 'Max Driver' training.

"I’m convinced Max Driver will lower accident rates and insurance premiums among young drivers. I’ve done it. It’s brilliant, it’s fun to do and it’s taken my driving to another level." he continued.

Link: www.max-driver.com

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DustyC

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12,820 posts

276 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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Its got a good name to make them want to do it so perhaps it will work.

Even if it just makes them more aware of other road users it would be a good thing.

Now what we need is "Executive Driver" training to get all the reps clued up.

What else?

jacko lah

3,297 posts

271 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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I think I'm old a cynical, but I just see it as an attempt by one money making body to make money by association with another more fashionable money making body.

On the other hand if it saves only one life, which it must, then they are to be encouraged.

IIRC in a survey of 16 to 25 year old males 90% of them believed themselves to be immortal.

900T-R

20,406 posts

279 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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Good show. Hope it gets the right kind of media attention.

jacko lah

3,297 posts

271 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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It WILL improve your sex life !!!


What a claim !!!

Harry Flashman

21,171 posts

264 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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This is an excellent idea. Hope it works.

The main problem with driver training for young drivers is, I think, the expense - a decent day out on skid pan, track and public roads, teaching car control, defensive driving, carcraft (e.g. coping with camber changes, setting up the car on its suspension to corner etc.) and escape route-planning can (and usually does) cost hundreds of pounds. Such a large chunk of money would seem like a low priority spend to drivers of modified cars, when the same sum buys ICE, wheels, exhaust etc etc. Organising group sessions to keep costs down should be a priority.

Good idea Max Power magazine.

docevi1

10,430 posts

270 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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Excellent idea, but is £199 not too steep? I wouldn't / won't pay that for training regardless of what it might entail - it is more than a months wage for me (and most other people in my situation).

anonymous-user

76 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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As many others have said, I think it's a fantastic idea. I've always thought that the difficulty with advanced driver training was getting those that need it to even consider it. Hooking up with Max Power is a damn good way to go about it.

As for the cost, the standard course is £99 - but you can get this direct from the IAM for £85 (£75 if you're under 25).

And I think describing the IAM as a money making organisation is a bit harsh for a registered charity.

pmanson

13,388 posts

275 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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docevi1 said:
Excellent idea, but is £199 not too steep? I wouldn't / won't pay that for training regardless of what it might entail - it is more than a months wage for me (and most other people in my situation).



My RideDrive course cost £235 (I think) for an 8hr session and was worth every penny!

Perhaps their parents will buy it for them??

Congratulations to Maxy P as they seem to be the inniative (sp?) that the government should be taking!

jacko lah

3,297 posts

271 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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LexSport said:
As many others have said, I think it's a fantastic idea. I've always thought that the difficulty with advanced driver training was getting those that need it to even consider it. Hooking up with Max Power is a damn good way to go about it.

As for the cost, the standard course is £99 - but you can get this direct from the IAM for £85 (£75 if you're under 25).

And I think describing the IAM as a money making organisation is a bit harsh for a registered charity.


My lack of references to the Good work that the IAM do was harsh.
If an under 25 year old can get the course for £75 then someone is creaming the extra somewhere though.

I would be less cynical if they could get it for £65 quid via max power.

But then again if kids are too lazy to do the research.

It will IMPROVE their SEX life though so maybe there's a little bit extra in this version of the course ?

DustyC

Original Poster:

12,820 posts

276 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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Perhaps by doing the course they get a wicked sticker and cap which is worth th extra money to show of that they are real drivers.

sorry, I meant wik'ed...probably.

lanciachris

3,357 posts

263 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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Is being an aggressive or confident driver a crime now then?

I can only imagine the ideal stats :
66% of drivers were hesitant, bimbling fools
33% described their driving as 'slower than walking'

900T-R

20,406 posts

279 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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lanciachris said:
Is being an aggressive or confident driver a crime now then?



If you're a teenager with precious little driving experience - no it's not a crime in se, but yes - it's a bit worrying. I shudder to think what little capabilities I had in my first years of driving, and I only survived because a) I was lucky, b) I started driving a bit later so the worst spell of testosterone-induced overconfidence was already left behind.

Now I must admit I'm not the fastest learner in the world as activities that need a fair bit of eye/hand coordination go - but looking at the road craft of the average young/inexperienced driver here, I think i'ts little different for them.

There's a reason young lads run a five times higher risk to to get killed in a car accident than girls. Think about it. Being inconfident behind the wheel isn't good, being too confident for your actual skills and insight is worse still.

Realizing you're not immortal is a start.

justinp

69 posts

304 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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Useless statistics again

topic said:
Road casualties figures show that the Max Power survey age group (17 – 24) suffered the highest number of road deaths and serious injuries (3,144) of any age group of drivers, or other road users and was more than double the 25 – 29 driver age group (1,437).


17 - 24 is an age gap of 8 years, 3144/8 = 393 per age
year.

25 - 29 is an age gap of 5 years, 1437/5 = 287 per age year.

which in my book is not more than double.

Cheers

Justin

900T-R

20,406 posts

279 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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a) Not everyone gets his/her license at 17
b) Year for year, there might well be less in the 17-24 bracket than of the 25-29 generation. I don't know, I don't have demographic specifics about the UK population.

bennno

14,805 posts

291 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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'max driver, drive like a god'

course includes

- burn out techniques

- how to red line the car in first gear through built up town centres

- how to navigate the mc drive through

- crusin techniques

'Max Muppetts' = Bunch of chavs

Bennno

Supersonic

1,163 posts

284 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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Good on 'em, let's hope it succeeds

smele

1,284 posts

306 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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I have often wondered what is meant by 'Good Driver'? Does that mean:

A: You obey the Highway Code.
B: You are sensible and safe.
C: You have racing driver car control, but drive like your arse is on fire.

Personally I am A and B. But when conditions allow, I try a bit of C.

smele

PatHeald

8,058 posts

278 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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Good for Max Power.

I'd expected everyone on here to be taking the piss and I'm glad to see that this is being recognised as a good thing.

I hope it succeeds.

Pat.

agent006

12,058 posts

286 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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lanciachris said:
Is being an aggressive or confident driver a crime now then?


No but it is often very dangerous.
In my mind:
Agressive = tailgater
Confident = vastly overjudges their driving ability.

The simple solution is to make the police class1 test the national standard with compulsary retests for the entire population.

k77-widow maker

910 posts

281 months

Tuesday 13th July 2004
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I know at least 57 corsa drivers, 26 saxo drivers, oh and one TUSCAN driver (tvrcc day @ snetterton...you know who you are) who NEED this sort of course, but will their pocket money be able to extend to that amount for the course???