RE: Civic Type-R gets power hike
RE: Civic Type-R gets power hike
Tuesday 8th February 2005

Civic Type-R gets power hike

Honda adds end-of-life tweaks to hot hatch


According to Auto Express, Honda is tweaking its flagship hot hatch, the Civic Type-R. Not only does it get more power, it could be sold in white. Auto Express reckons that the company is testing the car around Swindon, where the factory is based.

Any power hike is likely to be small however, as extracting more from the already wrung-out engine would probably entail feeding it with higher-octane fuel than you can get here in the UK. It's already one of the few cars that manages to deliver 100hp per litre, with a quoted 200bhp from its two-litre four-pot mill.

Other tweaks are likely to involve the suspension and running gear and, according to the report, a link with Japanese tuning specialist Mugen is also possible.

It's an end-of-life kicker for the Type-R, as the new Civic is on its way. That won't arrive in the UK until 2006, but it'll be revealed for the first time at next week's Chicago Motor Show.

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den

Original Poster:

102 posts

299 months

Tuesday 8th February 2005
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It's been for sale in white since they started production.. just not in the UK ;-)

Phill_S2

60 posts

264 months

Tuesday 8th February 2005
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also thought it had only 197bhp insted of the 200bhp as stated above? Therefore not haviing 100bhp per litre

bigandclever

14,188 posts

260 months

Tuesday 8th February 2005
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Displacement (cc) 1998
Maximum power (PS @ rpm) 200@7400
Maximum torque (Nm @ rpm) 196@5900
Maximum torque (lb-ft @ rpm) 145@5900

gringosteve

2 posts

252 months

Tuesday 8th February 2005
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jimbro1000

1,619 posts

306 months

Tuesday 8th February 2005
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Has no-one heard of the JDM engine that Honda have for these cars?

Runs at a very happy 220bhp and all they need to do is swap a few components to do it (gross simplification but I'm not going any deeper than that). The current Integra Type-R uses it (and Honda keep suggesting they will sell it in the UK but it hasn't happened yet).

A Mugen kitted version of the same engine should run closer to the 240bhp mark if not more without resorting to specialist fuel.

dinkel

27,590 posts

280 months

Tuesday 8th February 2005
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Drop the S2000 lump in? Or is this very expensive?

Phill_S2

60 posts

264 months

Tuesday 8th February 2005
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bigandclever said:
Displacement (cc) 1998
Maximum power (PS @ rpm) 200@7400


Correct me if I am wrong, but PS isn't the same as HP

craploginname

362 posts

276 months

Tuesday 8th February 2005
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I met a guy on the A49 towards Leominster just after christmas, is it anyone on here?

Anyway, he managed a claimed 250bhp from his with induction kit, magnex exhaust, no cat, and a chip he got from the states that cost him just $40 to do something fancy with the fuel

He also had the suspension geometry upgrade from ABP, strut braces and a tie brace under the rear (showed it me but diodn't understand what it did)

Fantastic car, he'd got more dosh than me or I'd have copied him by now. Throttle blipping produced a bang the response was that fast, awesome. When we parted I asked him to give it some so I could hear it, sounded phenominal and produced a smell of proper burnt petrol rather than that shitty egg smell you get from a cat

z_chromozone

1,436 posts

271 months

Tuesday 8th February 2005
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craploginname said:
I met a guy on the A49 towards Leominster just after christmas, is it anyone on here?

Anyway, he managed a claimed 250bhp from his with induction kit, magnex exhaust, no cat, and a chip he got from the states that cost him just $40 to do something fancy with the fuel

He also had the suspension geometry upgrade from ABP, strut braces and a tie brace under the rear (showed it me but diodn't understand what it did)

Fantastic car, he'd got more dosh than me or I'd have copied him by now. Throttle blipping produced a bang the response was that fast, awesome. When we parted I asked him to give it some so I could hear it, sounded phenominal and produced a smell of proper burnt petrol rather than that shitty egg smell you get from a cat


I once met a guy in pub who claimed he could catch the moon..........

Z

bigandclever

14,188 posts

260 months

Tuesday 8th February 2005
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Phill_S2 said:

bigandclever said:
Displacement (cc) 1998
Maximum power (PS @ rpm) 200@7400

Correct me if I am wrong, but PS isn't the same as HP

OK smartypants - I only copied it from the Honda site

If one BHP = 1.0139 Pferdestarke then it has 197.2 BHP

I think!

Phill_S2

60 posts

264 months

Tuesday 8th February 2005
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bigandclever said:

Phill_S2 said:


bigandclever said:
Displacement (cc) 1998
Maximum power (PS @ rpm) 200@7400


Correct me if I am wrong, but PS isn't the same as HP


OK smartypants - I only copied it from the Honda site

If one BHP = 1.0139 Pferdestarke then it has 197.2 BHP

I think!


mutant_matt

48 posts

257 months

Tuesday 8th February 2005
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So I make that 98.7 bhp/litre then

Of course you *can* get more out of the engine but I wouldn't mind betting you can't economically (car manufacturers are in it for the money remember ) whilst getting it through EU Type Approval (emissions and noise). An aftermarket exhaust/filter/chip doesn't have these constraints (thank god ).

The S2000 engine is designed for a longitudinal installation....

Matt

dinkel

27,590 posts

280 months

Tuesday 8th February 2005
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mutant_matt said:
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The S2000 engine is designed for a longitudinal installation....

Matt


Yep, and rwd. CTR is fwr so it'll work would it . . .

mutant_matt

48 posts

257 months

Tuesday 8th February 2005
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As the engines are basically the same, I never understood why they didn't use the same one in both cars.... (unless there is a lot more to it with regards to the clutch/gearbox for the RWD/FWD installations)

Matt

andygo

7,262 posts

277 months

Tuesday 8th February 2005
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I understand the 04 model CTR has just over 200bhp thanks to a lighter flywheel and some other tiny tweaks.

annodomini2

6,962 posts

273 months

Tuesday 8th February 2005
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Whats the main differences between the K20A in Civic and the K20B in the S2000? (Apart from the inline config obviously)

cymtriks

4,561 posts

267 months

Tuesday 8th February 2005
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I've heard that the next CTR will have a 2.4 pushing out around 250 bhp.

Perhaps they are putting a bigger engine in?

Also I thought that the Integra engine was exactly the same as the CTR engine, the higher power due to higher octane fuel being available elsewhere. Bring it to the UK and the extra power disappears.

In the mean time there's alway Mugen and Jackson Racing (260 bhp from a supercharger)to take care of you.

Hugh1

3,695 posts

263 months

Tuesday 8th February 2005
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Please correct me if I'm wrong but didnt Clarkson say that the Ariel Atom 300 has a supercharged CTR engine, and as the name would suggest develops 300bhp?

edc

9,478 posts

273 months

Tuesday 8th February 2005
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Any scope for re-working the induction intake side?

Black s2k

1,793 posts

271 months

Wednesday 9th February 2005
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It's an F20C in an S2000!!!

Basically, the F20 was a low-volume test-bed for the technology now used in the i-VTECs, such as the K20.

Anyway, why do people always want to go the hard route?

Why not do as Honda are rumoured to be planning for the 06 Civic & CRX, and swap in K24 components! Simply tune that to 98.7543654 bhp litre-1 or whatever.