RE: Jag X-Type gets new oil-burner
Friday 6th May 2005
X-Type gets new 2.2-litre dieselJaguar has added a 2.2-litre turbocharged diesel X-Type to its burgeoning range of oil-burners, along with a beefed-up six-speed manual transmission to cope with the extra torque. The new engine takes the number of diesel X-Type models to four and Jaguar's diesel range to five, with a sixth soon to be announced in the shape of the new XJ Diesel.
Jag X-Type gets new oil-burner
Engine adds overboost for faster overtaking
X-Type gets new 2.2-litre diesel
The new 153bhp engine provides a chunky torque figure, peaking on overboost at 295lb-ft, with the aim of aiding overtaking. Jaguar touts the 50-75mph fourth gear acceleration of 6.7 seconds as being comparable with much larger petrol-engined cars. The normal torque figure is more like 266lb-ft.
The company's existing 2.0 litre common rail turbocharged diesel engine, introduced in late 2003, isn't going away. It gets a few tweaks, including electrically controlled variable vane geometry for improved turbocharger control and better throttle response. All Jaguar’s X-Type diesels comply with the stringent Euro Stage IV emission requirements ahead of the date required by legislation.
Jaguar rushed into diesel when it became clear that this was where the premium market was leading and has made a fair fist of it, by all accounts. It got a lot of help from parent company Ford, and the new 2.2 is also a joint venture between Jaguar and Ford.
The new Jaguar X-Type 2.2D will go on sale from September this year.
Discussion
Pity the dealers aren't upto speed !! I went into one yesterday and was not dealt with particularily well, so much for it being a premuim brand if thats the level of service to be expected.
I'm looking at replacing my company car and my choice at the moment is quite spread from Audi TT through the Jag, Saab Aero Convertible and onto the Vauxhall Astra VXR and the Golf GTi ..
At the moment the Jag is falling behind purely on how I was dealt with, so much for wanting to attract a younger market
I'm looking at replacing my company car and my choice at the moment is quite spread from Audi TT through the Jag, Saab Aero Convertible and onto the Vauxhall Astra VXR and the Golf GTi ..
At the moment the Jag is falling behind purely on how I was dealt with, so much for wanting to attract a younger market
Pah, not convinved. Jaguar are meandering in the right direction.
Stop 
ing about now chaps and go build a V10 twin turbo capable of producing 700ft/lb of torque, and something that can stuff the Toureg up the arris and put Jaguar Diesels on the top.
Come on Ford surely you must have enough old V8 Detroit derv block experience to build something really exciting.
Stop ing about now chaps and go build a V10 twin turbo capable of producing 700ft/lb of torque, and something that can stuff the Toureg up the arris and put Jaguar Diesels on the top. Come on Ford surely you must have enough old V8 Detroit derv block experience to build something really exciting.
Swiss
Your comments are intersting I had the same problem with a dealer who messed me about with a test drive, cancelling at the last moment, and then only being interested in talking fiance deals.
I involved Jaguar who were concerned and got anohter dealer to contact me. They made sure that I got a test drive in the vehicle I wanted, even going as far as having a brand new car delivered to the dealers.
Alicat
Your comments are intersting I had the same problem with a dealer who messed me about with a test drive, cancelling at the last moment, and then only being interested in talking fiance deals.
I involved Jaguar who were concerned and got anohter dealer to contact me. They made sure that I got a test drive in the vehicle I wanted, even going as far as having a brand new car delivered to the dealers.
Alicat
JagLover said:
At last, this was just what the X type needed.
Actually it should have got the 2.7 V6 (as used in S-Type) in addition to the PSA/Ford DW12 diesel which also didn't happen. Unless this is it (I've been away)?
The current 2.0 Ford Puma Deisel was a panic afterthought when the DW12 was canned.
Just FYI you understand.......
Ah but.. How much is it? If its anything like the Mondeo 2.2 D there is quite a premium to pay over the 2.0 D for the benefit of an extra 20 horses.
Anyway, X type should have got the 2.2 D before the Mondeo. I know a few people who have put off buying an X type Diesel simply because the existing 2.0 D doesnt pack the required punch when compared to other marques.
Anyway, X type should have got the 2.2 D before the Mondeo. I know a few people who have put off buying an X type Diesel simply because the existing 2.0 D doesnt pack the required punch when compared to other marques.
ultimasimon said:
Pah, not convinved. Jaguar are meandering in the right direction.
Come on Ford surely you must have enough old V8 Detroit derv block experience to build something really exciting.
Please be aware that the Lion V6 that is currently fitted to the Jag s-type will be launched as a V8 derivative this year and will be found in the likes of the PAG brand (Land Rover, Jaguar, Volvo, etc.) I wouldn't rely on the U.S. to provide any V8 technology as they are still drastically behind the rest of the world! Even the new 3v was shunned by the public as it traded off torque value for better fuel economy. They provide the diesel V8 and V10 engines over there but they run on industrial grade diesel and I believe are NA and are completely dated. There was a big push at the Detroit Auto show this year by Merc, etc. to try highlight the benefits of the new common rail turbo diesel technologies that are being used in Europe.
veetwin said:
Pah, not convinved. Jaguar are meandering in the right direction.
Come on Ford surely you must have enough old V8 Detroit derv block experience to build something really exciting.
Please be aware that the Lion V6 that is currently fitted to the Jag s-type will be launched as a V8 derivative this year and will be found in the likes of the PAG brand (Land Rover, Jaguar, Volvo, etc.) I wouldn't rely on the U.S. to provide any V8 technology as they are still drastically behind the rest of the world! Even the new 3v was shunned by the public as it traded off torque value for better fuel economy. They provide the diesel V8 and V10 engines over there but they run on industrial grade diesel and I believe are NA and are completely dated. There was a big push at the Detroit Auto show this year by Merc, etc. to try highlight the benefits of the new common rail turbo diesel technologies that are being used in Europe.
I am not sure anyone has mentioned that when it came to looking for a competent diesel engine to suit the premium brands of PAG Ford turned to Peugeot - the "Jag" V6 diesel (alsmot found in the Disco 3) is also fitted to the 407 I believe and was developed by them both. Peugeot are also working with Ford on the V8 version which will slot into the XJ8 and Range Rover (God knows what Peugeot will put it in!).
OK time to dispell some myths:
Ford is quite capable of designing and developing its own diesel engines, the 1.8 in the Focus and the 2.0 & 2.2 in the Mondeo & 'X'type are indigenous to Ford.
The JV with Peugeot (PSA) is to share technology & increase economies of scale through volume. Without getting into too much detail the large engines are done by Ford and the small engines are done by Peugeot. The V6 was designed and developed at Ford for PAG and PSA group.
Yes there is a V8, it's released next year, its loosely based on the V6 and it is absolutely bloody awesome.
Its a shame but V6 wouldn't fit 'X'type with AWD.
hendry said:
I am not sure anyone has mentioned that when it came to looking for a competent diesel engine to suit the premium brands of PAG Ford turned to Peugeot - the "Jag" V6 diesel (alsmot found in the Disco 3) is also fitted to the 407 I believe and was developed by them both. Peugeot are also working with Ford on the V8 version which will slot into the XJ8 and Range Rover (God knows what Peugeot will put it in!).
Ford is quite capable of designing and developing its own diesel engines, the 1.8 in the Focus and the 2.0 & 2.2 in the Mondeo & 'X'type are indigenous to Ford.
The JV with Peugeot (PSA) is to share technology & increase economies of scale through volume. Without getting into too much detail the large engines are done by Ford and the small engines are done by Peugeot. The V6 was designed and developed at Ford for PAG and PSA group.
Yes there is a V8, it's released next year, its loosely based on the V6 and it is absolutely bloody awesome.
Its a shame but V6 wouldn't fit 'X'type with AWD.
I'm guessing the 3.0 petrol is a bored out duratec V6, which has a very shallow v angle. Designed for front wheel drive saloon cars.
Whereas the 2.7TD is a 45degree v6, plus true DOHC and 4v per cylinder, must be a much wider engine and its designed for a rear wheel drive layout, may be too much to tranverse it.
Whereas the 2.7TD is a 45degree v6, plus true DOHC and 4v per cylinder, must be a much wider engine and its designed for a rear wheel drive layout, may be too much to tranverse it.
flooritforever said:
So how come the 2.7 litre V6 diesel won't fit into the X-Type, and yet a petrol 3.0 litre V6 will? 
Surely the 2.7 dizzel is no bigger than the 3.0 petrol??
Simple, you don't have two turbos, EGRs, chargecooler & associated ducting etc on the petrol. Also the diesel is longer stroke, therefore taller and wider cyl block.
They are both 60 deg V6, much better for balance than other angles. (Except of course a 180deg Vee or flat-6 engine which is perfectly balanced)
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