Prince Charles... probably been reading PH
Prince Charles... probably been reading PH
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CarZee

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13,382 posts

287 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/news/story.html?in_review_id=705722&in_review_text_id=679518
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2280564.stm

Long story short, Charlie has been writing scathing missives to people in high political office in Britain.

I'll quote selectively, but you'll see what I mean..
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"I and countless others dread the very real and growing prospect of an American-style personal injury 'culture' becoming ever more prevalent in this country," he was said to have written.

"Such a culture can only lead ultimately, to... an atmosphere of distrust and suspicion, let alone the real fear of taking decisions that might lead to legal action."
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He also complained about "the degree to which our lives are becoming ruled by a truly absurd degree of politically correct interference", giving the example of horse chestnut trees being felled in Norwich last year over fears that falling conkers could injure passers-by.
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And in August he urged Downing Street to do more to help British citizens in Zimbabwe.
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The Prince says litigation is potentially threatening the training of soldiers, with safety precautions restricting the use of live-firing exercises and even the use of barbed wire in case someone gets hurt and sues.

He highlights the case of a surviving member of a two-man aircraft which had crashed, facing the possibility of a manslaughter charge. "Why should any other pilot in that squadron, knowing there is a risk of litigation if he gets it wrong, take any calculated risk, exercise his professional judgment, push himself to the limits or fly in marginal weather?" he asks.
Now, I'm not interested in Pro/Anti-monarchy, or the constitutional issues here, but I know full well that what I'm seeing is an undeniably influential man, exerting an opinion in line with my own. He's not an uncaring, racist, facist or avaricious man, he's just stopped talking to his rhodedendrons and got some common sense. And he's slapping Billy Liar about the chops, so it works for me.

plotloss

67,280 posts

290 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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Funny, I thought exactly the same thing. Good on him for speaking his mind.

Matt.

JSG

2,238 posts

303 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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Good on him I say, he's only expressing what a lot of people feel and the the poor old government don't like it - Tough.

Send him a PH sticker for the Aston Ted, I'll pay

CarZee

Original Poster:

13,382 posts

287 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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Quite.. the thing is these were private correspondances and were leaked by Whitehall, so for him to be criticised for being publically at odds with the government is pretty bloody rich, n'est-ce pas?

CarZee

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13,382 posts

287 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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And although it wasn't reproduced in the web article, he was quoted on C4 news as saying that the ECHR is too focused on individual rights without reference to responsibilitry and consideration of the broader social fabric which it is effectively destroying.

Edit: Here it is...

www.channel4.com/news/home/z/stories/20020925/prince.html
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"The Human Rights Act is only about the rights of individuals. This betrays a fundamental distortion in social and legal thinking."

"The quality of residents' lives is impoverished by our inability to keep rules in proportion and to see the wider consequences of our actions."


>> Edited by CarZee on Wednesday 25th September 20:33

Bodo

12,431 posts

286 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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KahrZieh, looks like Charles got balls in the end...

BTW:
..., n'est-ce pas?
is that posh for innit?

CarZee

Original Poster:

13,382 posts

287 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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quote:
..., n'est-ce pas?
is that posh for innit?
Nicht war!

Bodo

12,431 posts

286 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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quote:

quote:
..., n'est-ce pas?
is that posh for innit?
Nicht war!



That's posh, too!
- Berliners say Wa?

Example:
Charly got balls, wa?

CarZee

Original Poster:

13,382 posts

287 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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That's posh, too!
- Berliners say Wa?
Vielleicht, aber ich bin ein Basingstoker. Bei uns sagt man "n'est-ce pas" usw., aber nicht "innit" weil wir kein Baseball Caps haben

BLUETHUNDER

7,881 posts

280 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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If only he could be P.M

HRH POW

12,431 posts

286 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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Thank you very much for your support Sire CarZee!

I noticed it is not your custom to wear these imperialistic headdresses.
That is, what I understand an upright Briton!

Keep it up!

As for the our young continental friend Bodo, I have to admit that I used to have the balls in polo sports. Well recognized, bourgeoise contemporary.

cheers,
ye olde Princy Charly

CarZee

Original Poster:

13,382 posts

287 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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Cheers Bodo

pdv6

16,442 posts

281 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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mmmm swan pie

williamp

20,028 posts

293 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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HRH made the most obvious of mistakes...


...he spoke out AGAINST the Government...

...This sort of thing must stop...



Honestly, some people. When we end this outdated idea of free speach the UK will be a better place

funkihamsta

1,261 posts

283 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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I like the fact that he is being told to stay out of politics. Surely any healthy democracy should be able to incorporate many perspectives as this surely validates and enriches the whole process.

Can only politicians be allowed to discuss politics then? Are normal people only allowed to discuss politics because there is no mass exposure of what we say?

Following this logic, Bob Geldof should stay out of politics, and big brother contestants, and U2, and Private Eye. Can't have people being swayed by the rounded and thought out opinions of non-politicians. You're not allowed.

Please follow the clearly marked signs labelled "This way for Police State". Thankyou for behaving yourselves..

Don

28,378 posts

304 months

Thursday 26th September 2002
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Interestingly I was yelling at the TV last night whilst the Mrs slowly sank into the sofa in embarrassment glad that no-one could see me and between hurling my indoor footwear at aforementioned device and screaming libellous comments at Government officials appearing on it I caught up with our future King's opinions.

Now I'm no royalist but...he's more in tune with what I think than any of the witless oafs who got elected...

Podie

46,646 posts

295 months

Thursday 26th September 2002
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Does this mean that PH will get a royal crest outside the office?

CarZee

Original Poster:

13,382 posts

287 months

Thursday 26th September 2002
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It would be a 'Royal Crust' actually

smifffy

1,999 posts

286 months

Thursday 26th September 2002
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Yes, but you've now to consider why the article that Charlie penned (and correctly in my view) was leaked, and who leaked it.

Doubtless in these cases there is someone seeking to gain from the scenario.

It could be a slur against the government, intended to deliver a timely slap to bLair and his cronies from the well oiled machinery of Whitehall. As this is being populated with an increasing number of bLairites it's an interesting insight into the internal politics.

It could be a slur against the monarchy by the government who are tired of Charlie sticking his beak into affairs which, by our constitutional monarchistic legislation should not be interfering with. Public opinion will probably go with Charlie on this, and so it's likely to be a backfire if this is the intent. Charlie is very independent, and probably taking full advantage of the fact that when/if he becomes king he will have no option but to keep quiet. Perhaps this is the very point theat will see the crown pass over him to William? Time will tell.

Either way, it's an interesting window into the murky relationship between Whitehall and St James' Palace. These type of leaks never happen 'by mistake'.

Edited for typos

>> Edited by smifffy on Thursday 26th September 10:26

naunt

13 posts

296 months

Thursday 26th September 2002
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I think the fact that he voiced his opinions is of small concern, as I believe he is entitled to write to any MP as can anyone else in the UK.

The real question in any so-called “leak” is who is to benefit any why?

From what I have read, his letter was written over a month ago and yet it appeared in the papers at a time when London’s transport system is in crisis, Wembley stadium is to be built (at vast public expense) and there is so much debate on the war on Iraq.

Is this a coincidence, or is it just me?