RE: M1 misery starts today
RE: M1 misery starts today
Monday 14th November 2005

M1 misery starts today

Road widening scheme includes car pool lane


How long will the misery last?
How long will the misery last?
Starting today, M1 users will experience the start of a 10-mile project to widen the M1 between the M25 and Luton -- while adding a car-pool lane.

The result, said the Highways Agency, will be a four-lane motorway achieved mainly by widening the following sections:

  • Junctions 6A-7 southbound
  • Junctions 8-9 northbound and southbound
  • Junctions 9-10 southbound

And between junctions 7 and 10, the scheme also includes a trial of the first use in the UK of motorway High Occupancy Vehicle (HOV) lanes.

Costing £289 million, the work should upgrade the road which is one of the busiest motorways in Britain, carrying over 160,000 vehicles per day. According to the Agency, work is due to get fully underway early next year but the HA didn't say how long the project would take.

Roads minister Stephen Ladyman said: "Regular users of the M1 - business and leisure travellers, hauliers, and airport traffic - will be delighted to hear that widening of this busy section of the M1 is due to start soon. Once widening is completed, the M1 between Milton Keynes and St Albans is planned to host Britain's first motorway car share lane, a dedicated lane for vehicles carrying two or more people during peak hours.

"The Highways Agency has recently appointed contractors for two more major schemes in this area - widening the M1 between junctions 10 - 13 and upgrading the A421 to dual carriageway between M1 Jct 13 and Bedford. These extra lanes will improve safety and help to reduce peak-time congestion for motorway users."

This early work involves fencing, site clearance, setting up site offices and installing temporary CCTV cameras to help motorists in the event of breakdown. There will be some temporary hard shoulder closures while this work takes place but it will not affect the main carriageway.

At the same time, the Highways Agency is starting a publicity campaign to make sure road users are informed about the widening scheme once work gets underway.

Public exhibitions will be held by the contractors Balfour Beatty Skanska Joint Venture in communities close to the motorway to explain what the work involves, when it will be taking place and how it may affect them. For drivers from further afield, the work will be publicised at key ports, airports, and motorway service areas in English, French and German.

Once work starts on the M1 carriageway in the New Year, there will be a dedicated area on the Highways Agency's website to update motorists on traffic management and associated information.

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Peter Ward

Original Poster:

2,097 posts

278 months

Monday 14th November 2005
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The linked article states that work is "expected" to complete by Autumn 2008. That's 2.75 years of misery just so they can put a car-share lane in.

It also states that the length of the works is 10 miles, so that will no doubt become the new longest roadworks in the country, and also no doubt with a 40 limit and cameras.

I just hope work will take place all along the stretch 24 hours per day, to justify the closures and to get it done asap. I guess we'll see.

chickensoup

469 posts

277 months

Monday 14th November 2005
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Will be OK once they drop this HOV crap

LongQ

13,864 posts

255 months

Monday 14th November 2005
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chickensoup said:
Will be OK once they drop this HOV crap


Possibly though I suspect they won't drop it until they 'discover' it is dangerous and use that as an excuse for either speed limit enforcement or lane closure.

It will be dangerous because the majority of drivers in the UK have no idea how to use 3 lanes let alone 4.

vincefenlon

2 posts

243 months

Monday 14th November 2005
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I go from J9 down to J7 nearly everyday to uni, so they widening it to four lanes just to make 3 available for most people who commute. Will it be the fast lane, what if someone is going slow in the high occupancy lane can people come out then back into it (undertake). Also has research been done to see how many people are on their own in their car? I pay just as much as the next guy and just because theres no one going to uni locally means that i get penalised, i doubt i get road tax back for not being able to use it.

I cant see it sticking, the sheer weight of traffic, widening the road is the sensible part.

2 Smokin Barrels

31,703 posts

257 months

Monday 14th November 2005
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Will motor bikes be exempt from hov rules? (I can't see the dispatch rider boys keeping out!)

2 Smokin Barrels

31,703 posts

257 months

Monday 14th November 2005
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I understand that sports car clubs will soon be selling these:



Just blow him (!) up, & hey presto instant passenger.

Chris944

353 posts

252 months

Tuesday 15th November 2005
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HOV lanes on US highways aren't so obtrusive because there is no 'drive on the right' policy and over/under-taking is perfectly legal. Here in the UK the HOV lane will either be on the left - inside the slow traffic lane - or on the right - outside the fast lane. In the latter situation unless there is a minimum 70mph speed limit in the HOV lane then third lane (normal fast lane) traffic will undertake it often.

I reckon there will need to be an adjustment to motorway law to make this permissable.

If the HOV lane is to the left of the current slow lane then hardly anyone will use it because of being hemmed in by lorries and also by it it being crossed by vehicles wanting to leave the motorway or join the motorway. Also there will need to be motorway traffic law changes to allow traffic on an inside HOV lane to undertake other traffic.

If the HOV lane is not at either edge of the motorway then ..... words fail me. Surely the DOT can't be that stupid!

Will the HOV lane be limited to cars only? Or will vans be allowed if they have two occupants? What about busses and coaches? What about lorries with two occupants?

The scheme is pants.

Chris.

outnumbered

4,778 posts

256 months

Tuesday 15th November 2005
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The DfT website says the HOV lanes are recommended to be on the offside and should be open to coaches, buses, motorcycles and >2 occupant cars.

Lots of undertaking of 70mph-limited coaches and "HOV-lane morons" trundling along at 55mph to ensue then !


>> Edited by outnumbered on Tuesday 15th November 17:48

2 Smokin Barrels

31,703 posts

257 months

Tuesday 15th November 2005
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The HOV lane can only be lane 4 surely?

and don't call me Shirley

2 Smokin Barrels

31,703 posts

257 months

Tuesday 15th November 2005
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The web site says:

1. Car sharing lanes are already in use in Leeds, South Gloucestershire and in other countries

Anybody familiar with these? Just curious.

(Leeds & Gloucestershire that is)

>> Edited by 2 Smokin Barrels on Tuesday 15th November 18:19

GreenV8S

30,999 posts

306 months

Tuesday 15th November 2005
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What's the law on lane use and speed limits for coaches? I thought they were limited to 60 mph (same as trucks) and prohibited from the outside lane where there are more than two lanes (same as trucks).

J500ANT

3,102 posts

261 months

Tuesday 15th November 2005
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Will high occupancy mean 2+ or will it mean at least 40% of seats filled? If its the latter, then smart owners (and all other two seater cars) will be able to use it without issue!

yames

4 posts

247 months

Wednesday 16th November 2005
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£289 MILLION FOR 1 EXTRA LANE AVER 10 MILES:0 sounds like one very big wast of money to me. why dont the government do somthing that would real make a diffrence to the roads like sorting out the railway tracks to cut down the number of lorries on the road.

2 Smokin Barrels

31,703 posts

257 months

Wednesday 16th November 2005
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yames said:
cut down the number of lorries on the road.


I believe cars outnumber lorries more than 10:1. So it ain't really the problem.

jazzyjeff

3,652 posts

281 months

Wednesday 16th November 2005
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2 Smokin Barrels said:
yames said:
cut down the number of lorries on the road.


I believe cars outnumber lorries more than 10:1. So it ain't really the problem.



I would disagree with this, because:

1. Lorries are longer and wider than cars and therefore take up more room
2. Braking distances are longer therefore they (SHOULD!) allow more clear distance in front.
3. Lorries (mostly) travel slower than cars.
4. Lorry drivers have a habit of driving level in adjacent lanes or overtaking with a slight speed advantage. This has the result of increasing congestion and backing up the traffic
5. Lorries and commercials generally cause a hell of a lot more damage to the road surface (e.g. potholes, tramlining) than cars.

Remove the lorries, you remove some of the road problem.

JJ

2 Smokin Barrels

31,703 posts

257 months

Wednesday 16th November 2005
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jazzyjeff said:
2 Smokin Barrels said:
yames said:
cut down the number of lorries on the road.


I believe cars outnumber lorries more than 10:1. So it ain't really the problem.




Remove the lorries, you remove some of the road problem.

JJ


Of course that's true.

My point was, when you tackle a problem you don't usually start with the smallest element.

Plus:

1) If you've got something, it almost certainly came in a lorry
2) Most (if not all) lorry journies are doing something essential. A lot of car journies are people being lazy buggers.
3) There won't be railway lines going from the docks to the High St.

If 95% of the traffic is cars, then perhaps 15% of the problem (allowing for the factors you mention above) is due to trucks.

JonRB

79,240 posts

294 months

Wednesday 16th November 2005
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This might explain why the M1 was at a standstill this morning when I came off the M25 onto the M1. Took me 15 mins to get from there to J8 (ie. 1 stop up).

GreenV8S

30,999 posts

306 months

Wednesday 16th November 2005
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Anything to do with M1 being closed in that area now?

rsvmilly

11,288 posts

263 months

Wednesday 16th November 2005
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jazzyjeff said:
2 Smokin Barrels said:
yames said:
cut down the number of lorries on the road.


I believe cars outnumber lorries more than 10:1. So it ain't really the problem.



I would disagree with this, because:

1. Lorries are longer and wider than cars and therefore take up more room
2. Braking distances are longer therefore they (SHOULD!) allow more clear distance in front.
3. Lorries (mostly) travel slower than cars.
4. Lorry drivers have a habit of driving level in adjacent lanes or overtaking with a slight speed advantage. This has the result of increasing congestion and backing up the traffic
5. Lorries and commercials generally cause a hell of a lot more damage to the road surface (e.g. potholes, tramlining) than cars.

Remove the lorries, you remove some of the road problem.

JJ
Have you never noticed that when traffic backs up, the smoothest flowing lane is the left hand lane? ie, the one with all the lorries in?

The worst lane tends to be the right hand lane, which is purely cars/small vans. It doesn't flow so well since in the same space a one lorry you might have three cars - with the associated reaction times and stopping distances, along with people following too close, the lane is very stop-start.

I just sit in the left lane on my 2 junction motorway trip home and still leave the motorway at about the same time as the cars in the right lane.

ashes

628 posts

276 months

Thursday 16th March 2006
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The Leeds HOV is about as effective as the average bus lane. Not very