Cerbera AP brake calipers - learn from my mistake

[Flatplane8]

Just in case it helps someone else, I had my callipers vapour blasted to clean them up before painting. I left the pistons in, and the anodising was removed from the top part of them. They would still work ok, but I think over time the bare aluminium could corrode and lead to problems....





Now as well as new seals, I'll need new pistons

[darreni]

I thought the pistons were steel rather than aluminum?

[Basil Brush]

darreni said:

I thought the pistons were steel rather than aluminum?

The high temp versions of the CP5200 had stainless pistons but the standard ones are alloy.

[Supateg]

Stainless ones on eBay.. item No. 286035368193

[Flatplane8]

Supateg said:

Stainless ones on eBay.. item No. 286035368193

Thanks, seen those just asking the seller if they will fit as the depth of the pistons is slightly less.

[Basil Brush]

They measure the same depth as my replacement alloy AP ones but, as they do not have the skirt around the edge, they're effectively a few mm shorter so may be tight depending on disc width and pad thickness

[Supateg]

Just for information, years ago I found two part numbers for the CP5200 pistons, phoned up AP technical, the chap said the wrong pistons could exit the bores if the pads are past minimum friction material!

[Flatplane8]

Supateg said:

Just for information, years ago I found two part numbers for the CP5200 pistons, phoned up AP technical, the chap said the wrong pistons could exit the bores if the pads are past minimum friction material!

Yes, it’s only about 2mm but could make a difference. The eBay vendor has not responded so I at not risk it.

[Flatplane8]

Here are the part numbers from AP Racing, I spoke to their technical department this morning. I’ve ordered them from Raceparts who have been very helpful.

CP2290-50 CP2409-124 CP2260-66 Stock Code Description QTY Unit Price Total
PISTON-1.62x32.0ALU-SIB 4.00 Each 26.01 104.04
PISTON-1.50x32.0ALU-SIB 4.00 Each 22.35 89.40
PISTON-1.50x27.4ALU-SIB 4.00 Each 20.65 82.60
UPS24 UPS NEXT DAY 1.00 Each 8.50 8.50

Sorry about the formatting, the numbers I found listed elsewhere for the Cerbera didn’t seem quite right. These pistons are 32mm deep. I decided against the stainless ones as not deep enough.

[Flatplane8]

Basil Brush said:

They measure the same depth as my replacement alloy AP ones but, as they do not have the skirt around the edge, they're effectively a few mm shorter so may be tight depending on disc width and pad thickness

Thanks for making that point. I measured the discs, the thickness of the pad backing material and the depth of the seals. If the pads were accidentally run down to the backing plates then I think these stainless pistons could come past the seals. They looked good, but the genuine AP ones weren't much more expensive.

[Flatplane8]

Supateg said:

Stainless ones on eBay.. item No. 286035368193

Thanks, seen those just asking the seller if they will fit as the depth of the pistons is slightly less.

[Lefty]

I need to completely refurbish my brakes, car hasn’t been MOT’d since 2014 so it has basically sat for ten years. Caliper bodies seem fine.

Is it possible to get full rebuild kits?



I know brakes are least of my problems just now (see the outrigger skyhooks?) but I’m hoping to get the chassis tripped this week and sent off for repair and want to crack on with other bits and pieces in the meantime.

[FarmyardPants]

From the equivalent part numbers thread:

fatjon said:

AP Caliper pistons and seal kits, Cerbera 4.5 with CP5200 fronts and CP5211 rears, which seems to be most of them:
Available from any AP dealer or possibly direct from AP.
Front Calipers

CP2889-105 1.5” Pistons @ £9.69 + VAT each

CP3357-111 1.625” Pistons @ £10.55 + VAT each

CP4519-JK Seal Kit @ £11.43 + VAT per caliper

Rear Calipers

CP2260-66 1.5” Pistons @ £11.74 + VAT each

CP4519-J Seal Kit @ £7.01 + VAT per caliper

[Lefty]

Ahhh that’s really helpful thanks, mine is an early 4.2, need to work out if those are the same calipers

[v8sag]

Lefty said:

I need to completely refurbish my brakes, car hasn’t been MOT’d since 2014 so it has basically sat for ten years. Caliper bodies seem fine.

Is it possible to get full rebuild kits?



I know brakes are least of my problems just now (see the outrigger skyhooks?) but I’m hoping to get the chassis tripped this week and sent off for repair and want to crack on with other bits and pieces in the meantime.

Holy st, did that come up from the Titanic hold.

[FarmyardPants]

Lefty said:

Ahhh that’s really helpful thanks, mine is an early 4.2, need to work out if those are the same calipers

Maybe not

The above is for the six bolt front calipers, and I can confirm that these part numbers are good as they are what I ordered when I rebuilt mine (2000LW 4.5)

[Lefty]

v8sag said:

Lefty said:

I need to completely refurbish my brakes, car hasn’t been MOT’d since 2014 so it has basically sat for ten years. Caliper bodies seem fine.

Is it possible to get full rebuild kits?



I know brakes are least of my problems just now (see the outrigger skyhooks?) but I’m hoping to get the chassis tripped this week and sent off for repair and want to crack on with other bits and pieces in the meantime.

Holy st, did that come up from the Titanic hold.

Last MOT was April 2014!

The main members of the chassis are ok, certainly salvageable I would think. Wishbones and outriggers toast, engine mount brackets are like wet cardboard.

I have a thread running where I will keep pics and progress up to date rather than detail this one further

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[Byker28i]

Whats written on your brake calipers and are they 4 bolt or 6 bolt? Whats the size of the front disk? Diameter and thickness?

Early 4.2's had 291mm x 30mm front disks. Some uprate the brakes to bigger, I think the 4 bolt CP5200 will go to a 304mm disk, but I found CL front brake pads were great for stopping without upgrading.

Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 26th August 08:20

[Basil Brush]

Lefty said:

v8sag said:

Lefty said:

I need to completely refurbish my brakes, car hasn’t been MOT’d since 2014 so it has basically sat for ten years. Caliper bodies seem fine.

Is it possible to get full rebuild kits?



I know brakes are least of my problems just now (see the outrigger skyhooks?) but I’m hoping to get the chassis tripped this week and sent off for repair and want to crack on with other bits and pieces in the meantime.

Holy st, did that come up from the Titanic hold.

Last MOT was April 2014!

The main members of the chassis are ok, certainly salvageable I would think. Wishbones and outriggers toast, engine mount brackets are like wet cardboard.

I have a thread running where I will keep pics and progress up to date rather than detail this one further

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

I thought my Tuscan chassis was bad!

You may find it's easier and more cost effective to get a new chassis, given how badly that one has corroded and the amount of repair work it's going to need.

[Byker28i]

Basil Brush said:

I thought my Tuscan chassis was bad!

You may find it's easier and more cost effective to get a new chassis, given how badly that one has corroded and the amount of repair work it's going to need.

'tis but a scratch

These were my worse two corners