Do all Cerb's sound like 2 astra van van engines?
Do all Cerb's sound like 2 astra van van engines?
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jellison

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12,803 posts

298 months

Saturday 8th November 2003
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Sean - (Beemer) kindly showed be how a Cerb goes last night, (Nice driving) - just never got round to going out in one til now. Very fast and all that, but no offense Sean it sounded well VERY very dull next to my old sports exhaust 500. Don't get me wrong I want one badly - next spring is the plan if things work out!?
The split crank just makes it sound like two not very exciting 4's rev'ing out - nice on the over run with the sports exhaust, but there must be more? - would decating help on the noise front?

The only one I have heard that I thought F**K me I must have one of those is V8 FUN - is that sports and decat?

I know it will never sound like a NASCAR but must be able to be made more EVIL Sounding to match the looks....

granville

18,764 posts

282 months

Saturday 8th November 2003
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Whoaaah there!

With the AJP8, the essential sports exhaust (& decatt if at all possible) results in one of the most intoxicating aural blends yet devised by the wit of man.

When I had mine it transformed the sonic landscape utterly.

Pour moi, it is not an option.

Having said that, on start up and idle they do sound like the proverbial bag-o-spanners but it really shouldn't detract from the magic of the occassion.

jellison

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12,803 posts

298 months

Saturday 8th November 2003
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Sean was giving it Large. But pulling through the mid to top end of the rev range it just sounded flat (under load), like an astramax was on our boot lid, Great on the overrun. A Sports'd Rover is Much meaner (not as fast).

Must need the Sports exhaust and the Decat to sound properly right IMHO. Std must be very boring but still very fast.

GCerbera

5,161 posts

272 months

Saturday 8th November 2003
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Mine has the decat & sports and has nothing but compliments ( and a few dirty looks ) about the noise, I mean engine note.

is it just me or is this bloke a bit quick
on the old gear changes?

Go create some weather...
It's a road legal Concorde!
Graham
TCR The Cerbera Register

www.TVR-Cerbera.com

Tam Lin

694 posts

274 months

Saturday 8th November 2003
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I loved the noise the wife's old Griff made, especially at idle/mid range (at the top end it sounded a bit lost), but with the Cerb, at 6000+ rpm it sounds pretty mighty. When being rolling roaded, the 4.2 at 7000 definitely made one or two waiting turbonutters listen to the thing with new respect.

That odd resonant "ship sinking" drone under load is irritating though.

is it just me or is this bloke a bit quick
on the old gear changes? Graham, you've seen the Tuscans, sequential gearbox, innit

BCA

8,651 posts

278 months

Sunday 9th November 2003
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Definately a sports exhaust or decat is needed. Only after you have had one fitted do you realise just how good a cerbera sounds. The popping and banging on overrun doubles in quantity and quality and the roar through the rev range is a much richer sound. The standard Cerbera (as TG magasine pointed out) sounds a bit like a flymo lawnmower.

Only regret with fitting a sports zorst was not fitting one sooner. Excellent stuff

BTW graham - this is how I have to change gear on the smart quicker if I want to jump from 1st through to 3rd quickly (knocks a second off the 0-60/ it still goes through second- its a full 6 speed sequential box) Mind, theres a difference between when I change gear and the car changes gear - part of the smarts *charachter*! Tis good fun when one wants to play F1 down a select quiet B-road route or twelve.

davidd

6,651 posts

305 months

Monday 10th November 2003
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I only had a decat so no sports pipes. At idle it is never going to sound like a Griff but even then it has a sort of urgent throb, more like a sports bike or a racing car. Once underway then it is like having a pair of large ducatis on the backseat.

Smashing

D.

beemer

378 posts

279 months

Monday 10th November 2003
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Hi there Jellison

sorry about the car not being loud enough - I tend to concentrate more on how sideways it is than the noise it's making when I'm driving it!!!

Car has got a sports exhaust but still has cats fitted - not sure I would want it any louder than it is now, although may be tempted for the Le Mans run next year.

Still think it'd be quicker than your TR4, mind.....

cheers

Sean

jellison

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12,803 posts

298 months

Monday 10th November 2003
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Cheers Sean,

You are the King of slide...
Decat it for Le Man's - I might have one then!
Or a nice alley small block. These are 77kg more than a Rover but you name your power number, and wake the DEVIL.

Yep Cerb quicker than TR (not a 500 though!)

beemer

378 posts

279 months

Monday 10th November 2003
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jellison said:


Yep Cerb quicker than TR (not a 500 though!)


come on, mate, you're having a laugh aren't you??

Assume you're talking about a standard Chim 500? If so, you wouldn't see which way the Cerb went!!

My 60 year old mum had a Chim (not that its a girls car, of course!!) until a month or so ago, and she was petrified when I took her out in the Cerb - couldn't believe how much faster it was than hers.

cheers

Sean

jellison

Original Poster:

12,803 posts

298 months

Monday 10th November 2003
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TypO Sean - TR quicker than 500 (not Chim quicker than Cerb)- (up to say 100 or on track) - neither quicker than Cerb. Power to weight of Cerb gives 335ish (if 1150kg and 360bhp (true)), Chim 1070ish / 275 = 255ish, TR 250 / 820ish = 300.

p7ulg

1,052 posts

304 months

Monday 10th November 2003
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Problem is the cerbera like many modern performance engines has a flat plane crank.This results in the engine sounding like two four cylinders as opposed to a V8.Apparently the Ferrari 360 has the same problem, resulting in the remark I heard that modern Ferraris sound like hot hatches with a big bore exhaust.To get a Cerbera to sound right it really needs a sports exhaust on.

carl_w

10,335 posts

279 months

Monday 10th November 2003
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Am I missing something? A TR250 (what was a TR5 here) was the same engine as a TR6. It was called "250" because it was a 2.5. Not because it had 250bhp. They came in two versions -- 125 bhp and 150 bhp. Triumph used the same small horses that TVR used, and it was reckoned that a 150 bhp one was about 135 bhp.

ocean1

1,045 posts

281 months

Monday 10th November 2003
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jellison said:
Sean - (Beemer) kindly showed be how a Cerb goes last night, (Nice driving) - just never got round to going out in one til now. Very fast and all that, but no offense Sean it sounded well VERY very dull next to my old sports exhaust 500. Don't get me wrong I want one badly - next spring is the plan if things work out!?
The split crank just makes it sound like two not very exciting 4's rev'ing out - nice on the over run with the sports exhaust, but there must be more? - would decating help on the noise front?

The only one I have heard that I thought F**K me I must have one of those is V8 FUN - is that sports and decat?

I know it will never sound like a NASCAR but must be able to be made more EVIL Sounding to match the looks....


Only the V8s not the S6

jellison

Original Poster:

12,803 posts

298 months

Monday 10th November 2003
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A TR4 with a £12 - 15k All Steel Race engine - 248bhp at the flywheel....

beemer

378 posts

279 months

Monday 10th November 2003
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p7ulg said:
Problem is the cerbera like many modern performance engines has a flat plane crank.This results in the engine sounding like two four cylinders as opposed to a V8.Apparently the Ferrari 360 has the same problem, resulting in the remark I heard that modern Ferraris sound like hot hatches with a big bore exhaust.To get a Cerbera to sound right it really needs a sports exhaust on.


"Problem"?? what "problem"?? who says V8s need to sound like old Range Rovers with blown exhaust manifolds?

Personally, I think the V8 Cerb (with sports exhaust) and any flat plane crank Fezza (even more so with a Tubi exhaust) sound mental, especially about 6000rpm (not that you old Buick-lump boys would know much about that). All IMHO, of course!

...and yes Ocean1, S6 Cerbs sound great too, when they're running, that is...(only kidding)

cheers
sean

FourWheelDrift

91,645 posts

305 months

Monday 10th November 2003
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Does this sound like an Astra to you? I don't think so.

www.polarisuk.com/video/auto/cerbera.wma

Sports Exhaust fitted.

jamster

488 posts

269 months

Monday 10th November 2003
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ocean1 said:

jellison said:
Sean - (Beemer) kindly showed be how a Cerb goes last night, (Nice driving) - just never got round to going out in one til now. Very fast and all that, but no offense Sean it sounded well VERY very dull next to my old sports exhaust 500. Don't get me wrong I want one badly - next spring is the plan if things work out!?
The split crank just makes it sound like two not very exciting 4's rev'ing out - nice on the over run with the sports exhaust, but there must be more? - would decating help on the noise front?

The only one I have heard that I thought F**K me I must have one of those is V8 FUN - is that sports and decat?

I know it will never sound like a NASCAR but must be able to be made more EVIL Sounding to match the looks....



Only the V8s not the S6


Ah ha Ocean your back...... and of course with a very valid point.

Hows the gearbox?

ocean1

1,045 posts

281 months

Monday 10th November 2003
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It was the clutch slave seals, and all is well know thanks Jamster.

>> Edited by ocean1 on Monday 10th November 13:36

p7ulg

1,052 posts

304 months

Monday 10th November 2003
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beemer said:




Personally, I think the V8 Cerb (with sports exhaust) and any flat plane crank Fezza (even more so with a Tubi exhaust) sound mental, especially about 6000rpm (not that you old Buick-lump boys would know much about that). All IMHO, of course!

sean


Fancy having to put an aftermarket exhaust on a £100K Ferrari to make it sound good. I rest my case