Air sensor
Air sensor
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Julian64

Original Poster:

14,325 posts

275 months

Monday 10th November 2003
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Obviously being a bit daft here but can't see anything on my Cerb which senses air flow. Theres an obvious air temp sensor next to the airbox, but wheres the airflow sensor?

shpub

8,507 posts

293 months

Monday 10th November 2003
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There isn't one. The mapping is based on throttle(s) position essentially and gets feedback from the lambda sesnors (sometimes).

Julian64

Original Poster:

14,325 posts

275 months

Monday 10th November 2003
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What a shame, kinda throwing a closed system into the air and going back to a guessing game.

Although I thought there was a reason it used fuel, other than my right foot of course

Thanks SHpub, all the excuse I need.

stickshaker4185

51 posts

278 months

Monday 10th November 2003
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Quite right, there isn't an airflow meter. There is, however a MAP sensor (manifold absolute pressure, the modern alternative to an airflow meter), but this is only used to make a correction for changes in barometric pressure (while on your Alpine holidays ).

Measuring airflow, or MAP is a way of reading the engine's load against it's RPM (and other parameters) for correct fuel metering. This is all well and good, but there is a small time delay between a change in the engine's load, and the airflow meter or MAP sensor being able to read it. Airflow meters also cause a restriction to the total inlet airflow, which reduces hp, (although MAP sensors don't).

The throttle pots can also read the engine's load, but instead by measuring how far open the throttles are (known as throttle angle), the difference is that there's no time delay for the reading.

As a result, this set-up (throttle angle) gives excellent throttle response, and is favoured from a competition/race engine point of view. Fuel consumption is not considered to be affected, but who knows?

joospeed

4,473 posts

299 months

Monday 10th November 2003
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Hi Russel, Hi Julian.
you don't actually need to measure airflow to know how much fuel to inject - for any given throttle angle and engine revs the airflow will be the same, all you do is map the fuelling off the gas analyser / lambda sensor mixture reader without knowing the airflow.
Fuel consumption theoretically shouldn't be affected since at part throttle the mixture is lambda sensor/ecu trimmed anyway, the only downside on the cerbie is that such amphasis is placed on throttle position that and pot voltage fluctuation activates the accel enrichment.

Julian64

Original Poster:

14,325 posts

275 months

Tuesday 11th November 2003
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Hmmm I have a boatload of voltage fluctuation from my right hand throttle pot. Although when the engine stationary not a jot from idle to above 4000.

No obvious play in the linkage, I guess that means I should be looking at the routing of the two wires.

However not much space to route them away from an EMF rich engine.

Has anyone tried changing the wire type to a more insulated version, is this all really worth doing or are we being too theoretical here?