Discussion
To be blunt, there are many in the know who would
not agree the S6 has been sorted.
There are some fine ones out there, but it appears the
odds of getting a good car currently favour a 4.2 or 4.5
As Satman rightly said, this is a much debated topic
with valid points made for all models, so grab a stiff
drink and do a search and prepare for a long night!
Good luck
Go create some weather...
It's a road legal Concorde!
Graham
TCR The Cerbera Register
www.TVR-Cerbera.com
not agree the S6 has been sorted.
There are some fine ones out there, but it appears the
odds of getting a good car currently favour a 4.2 or 4.5
As Satman rightly said, this is a much debated topic
with valid points made for all models, so grab a stiff
drink and do a search and prepare for a long night!
Good luck
Go create some weather...
It's a road legal Concorde!
Graham
TCR The Cerbera Register
www.TVR-Cerbera.com
PH said:Also is the cerbera looking to stay or is there a replacement in the pipeline and is the sagaris a 2+2?
Chatting today with a dealership over a new Cerbera, they were pushing the speed 6 as the best one to use daily, saying softer ride etc, have all the problems been sorted out, is this the best option to go for? Thanks.
Yes he did on the 16th December 2003.
Make of that what you will.
christof said:
I would say, wait till the next motorshow for a new 2+2. At least a concept car will be displayed.
And forget about the AJP8. The AJP8 is dead, as there is no development work anymore, because it won't meet EURO 3 emission class.
It's also very expensive to pay for all the emission testing, so it's quite logical that TVR is concentrating on one engine.
What is wrong with a 500 bhp supercharged S6 Cerbera successor????
I'm pretty sure that we will see something very nice on the next Motorshow....
you know..."what is a Motorshow without a new TVR..."
Christof
Make of that what you will.
It's true the V8 is incredible dirty, they don't pass 99% of MOT emmisions testing without being bluffed through (although alot of that is down to how they are mapped).
Forced induction for serious emissions freindly power is the way to go .. noble manage 400bhp from their catted cars and they're very emissions friendly .. I've seen the cars running this power with cat exhausts and they are very clean burning.
It's the way forward ..
pity they didn't see fit to develop 4valve V8 heads though
.. a modern TVR without a V8 is unthinkable..
Forced induction for serious emissions freindly power is the way to go .. noble manage 400bhp from their catted cars and they're very emissions friendly .. I've seen the cars running this power with cat exhausts and they are very clean burning.
It's the way forward ..
pity they didn't see fit to develop 4valve V8 heads though
.. a modern TVR without a V8 is unthinkable..The prospect of there being no more V8 upsets me greatly, the speed 6 just does'nt do it for me in the way that the Rover V8 engined cars did & the AJP 8's do now!
As joolz says, the prospect of there being no more V8's in new TVR's is very sad...it is one of the few things that would cause me to leave the marque for good.In any case, where's the interest in just one engine, TVR have always had a selection in their cars, the way they are going, TVR will just be a range of differently moulded bodyshells over the same basic car, now where's the excitement in that
As joolz says, the prospect of there being no more V8's in new TVR's is very sad...it is one of the few things that would cause me to leave the marque for good.In any case, where's the interest in just one engine, TVR have always had a selection in their cars, the way they are going, TVR will just be a range of differently moulded bodyshells over the same basic car, now where's the excitement in that
christof said:
The AJP8 is dead, as there is no development work anymore, because it won't meet EURO 3 emission class.
It's also very expensive to pay for all the emission testing, so it's quite logical that TVR is concentrating on one engine.
Could this possibly mean TVR may eventually prepare to sell cars everywhere in Europe ?
tuscansix said:
Yes he did on the 16th December 2003.
christof said:
I would say, wait till the next motorshow for a new 2+2. At least a concept car will be displayed.
And forget about the AJP8. The AJP8 is dead, as there is no development work anymore, because it won't meet EURO 3 emission class.
It's also very expensive to pay for all the emission testing, so it's quite logical that TVR is concentrating on one engine.
What is wrong with a 500 bhp supercharged S6 Cerbera successor????
I'm pretty sure that we will see something very nice on the next Motorshow....
you know..."what is a Motorshow without a new TVR..."
Christof
Make of that what you will.
Christofs note is quite interesting.
There is a very simple way for TVR to retain V8 power and meet emissions........Use somebody else's engine that already meets more stringent regs. Lotus are doing exactly the same thing to validate the Elise for the US marketplace by installing a Toyota engine. TVR wanted to do something different and build their own engine, and lets be frank, they are charasmatic but in terms of longevity leave a lot to be desired.
why can't they simply pick and choose the best from other suppliers as people like Lotus, Pagani & Noble have done to name but a few, and then amend them to meet there own requirements, such as different headers, exhausts, intake manifolds, ECU's etc. Ok so they will have to do some chassis work to make most engines fit (due to the mid front engine mounting and straight six engine in most cases the engine bays are not capable of taking wide angle V engines) but considering the chassis's are all very similar, this would be a hell of a lot simpler than brand new engines.
The options would then become endless and mouthwatering. Anyone for an M5 powered Cebera or maybe a V10 powered Tuscan.
tvrslag said:Good point Darren.
Anyone for an M5 powered Cerbera or maybe a V10 powered Tuscan.
I think it might have been Julian from Joospeed who recently
told me somebody is trying something along those lines?
Personally and perhaps with a hint of bias(!), I
think TVR would be crazy to end the Cerbera and
equally as crazy to put all their eggs in one basket
with the S6 - definite no no.
True they have issues still to deal with and must concentrate
on that for now.
I am sure one day the S6 will be a fine engine, but
some people will always want a V8 in their TVR.
What TVR needed to do was to develop an engine program that provided the basis for a set of modular engines, so V6 became V8 etc that way engineering costs could be reduced and spreadover more volume.
I agree for TVR to rely solely on one engine and not a very robust one at that is IMHO a poor decision (but hey TVR are hanging on in there so what do I know), christ only knows what the warranty costs alone on the S6 engine must have cost. I suspect they far outweigh the cost of designing a more robust solution. Of more concern is with the talk of forced induction which will place even greater stresses on the engine.
I agree for TVR to rely solely on one engine and not a very robust one at that is IMHO a poor decision (but hey TVR are hanging on in there so what do I know), christ only knows what the warranty costs alone on the S6 engine must have cost. I suspect they far outweigh the cost of designing a more robust solution. Of more concern is with the talk of forced induction which will place even greater stresses on the engine.
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