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All,
Having an issue with the other half's Hyundai I30 1.6d, a slight grating noise from the clutch. Originally reported at the 2 year service and told not an issue. Different garage at 3 year service is claiming the clutch cover is gone and is an out of warranty £600 ish new clutch job.
Can anyone with some knowledge comment on what the clutch cover is and if it is considered a wear item? Warranty obviously wouldn't cover the clutch plate but from my research I cannot see how the clutch cover (if I'm understanding it correctly) would not be covered.
Its only on 30k miles and there is no clutch slip or other symptoms and the other half is a good driver so is not been abused.
Thanks in advance,
Jim
Having an issue with the other half's Hyundai I30 1.6d, a slight grating noise from the clutch. Originally reported at the 2 year service and told not an issue. Different garage at 3 year service is claiming the clutch cover is gone and is an out of warranty £600 ish new clutch job.
Can anyone with some knowledge comment on what the clutch cover is and if it is considered a wear item? Warranty obviously wouldn't cover the clutch plate but from my research I cannot see how the clutch cover (if I'm understanding it correctly) would not be covered.
Its only on 30k miles and there is no clutch slip or other symptoms and the other half is a good driver so is not been abused.
Thanks in advance,
Jim
Cover is on the left hand side of the pic.
I cant see how it would be considered a wearing part myself.
https://www.micksgarage.com/proddetails.aspx?pid=3...
It basically sandwiches the friction plate between it and the flywheel, with a thrust bearing taking the loading from the pedal.
edit - noise could well be thrust bearing.
I cant see how it would be considered a wearing part myself.
https://www.micksgarage.com/proddetails.aspx?pid=3...
It basically sandwiches the friction plate between it and the flywheel, with a thrust bearing taking the loading from the pedal.
edit - noise could well be thrust bearing.
JimboM3 said:
All,
Having an issue with the other half's Hyundai I30 1.6d, a slight grating noise from the clutch. Originally reported at the 2 year service and told not an issue. Different garage at 3 year service is claiming the clutch cover is gone and is an out of warranty £600 ish new clutch job.
Can anyone with some knowledge comment on what the clutch cover is and if it is considered a wear item? Warranty obviously wouldn't cover the clutch plate but from my research I cannot see how the clutch cover (if I'm understanding it correctly) would not be covered.
Its only on 30k miles and there is no clutch slip or other symptoms and the other half is a good driver so is not been abused.
Thanks in advance,
Jim
it's rare for any clutch parts to be covered under warranty, all aspects are considered wear and tear items.Having an issue with the other half's Hyundai I30 1.6d, a slight grating noise from the clutch. Originally reported at the 2 year service and told not an issue. Different garage at 3 year service is claiming the clutch cover is gone and is an out of warranty £600 ish new clutch job.
Can anyone with some knowledge comment on what the clutch cover is and if it is considered a wear item? Warranty obviously wouldn't cover the clutch plate but from my research I cannot see how the clutch cover (if I'm understanding it correctly) would not be covered.
Its only on 30k miles and there is no clutch slip or other symptoms and the other half is a good driver so is not been abused.
Thanks in advance,
Jim
That said, brand new car dealer warranty would sometimes cover the clutch too, aftermarket warranties little chance
As for the noise, it's unlikely the cover is the cause of any noise, more likely release bearing or something
This is a reasonable explanation of how the clutch works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqF-aBtTBnY
The pressure plate is also referred to as the cover assembly. The cover assembly is as shown in Turn7's post. The cover assembly consists of the cover itself, the pressure plate and the diaphragm spring, the latter two being subject to wear.
When changing a clutch it is normal to replace all the wearing components which are the driven plate assembly, the cover assembly and release bearing.
(Couple of minor corrections to the video. The cover assembly isn't riveted to the flywheel it's bolted on. And the front of the gearbox shaft sits in and is suported by a bearing either in the centre of the flywheel or passes through the flywheel into a bearing in the end of the crankshaft)
Pressing on the clutch pedal operates the release bearing. DO NOT drive with your foot resting on the clutch pedal.This will rapidly accelerate wear on the bearing and the diaphragm spring fingers leading to early failure.
Noise is often due to a defective/worn release bearing and/or excessive wear on the areas of the fingers it bears on. I've seen quite a few clutches where the fingers have worn through & this frequently rips the release bearing apart resulting in the car needing to be recovered.
Just replacing the release bearing is false economy. The engine needs to be separated from the gearbox to replace it so replacing the lot - driven plate, cover assembly and release bearing - is the way to go.
If the car has a dual mass flywheel (DMF) it's usually advisable to replace that at the same time even if it's still within spec as sod's law says that if you don't that will be the next issue.
If it's a solid flywheel then providing there is no excessive wear or damage to the area that the driven plate friction surface is in contact with it's not necessary to replace it.
When is yours actually making the noise?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqF-aBtTBnY
The pressure plate is also referred to as the cover assembly. The cover assembly is as shown in Turn7's post. The cover assembly consists of the cover itself, the pressure plate and the diaphragm spring, the latter two being subject to wear.
When changing a clutch it is normal to replace all the wearing components which are the driven plate assembly, the cover assembly and release bearing.
(Couple of minor corrections to the video. The cover assembly isn't riveted to the flywheel it's bolted on. And the front of the gearbox shaft sits in and is suported by a bearing either in the centre of the flywheel or passes through the flywheel into a bearing in the end of the crankshaft)
Pressing on the clutch pedal operates the release bearing. DO NOT drive with your foot resting on the clutch pedal.This will rapidly accelerate wear on the bearing and the diaphragm spring fingers leading to early failure.
Noise is often due to a defective/worn release bearing and/or excessive wear on the areas of the fingers it bears on. I've seen quite a few clutches where the fingers have worn through & this frequently rips the release bearing apart resulting in the car needing to be recovered.
Just replacing the release bearing is false economy. The engine needs to be separated from the gearbox to replace it so replacing the lot - driven plate, cover assembly and release bearing - is the way to go.
If the car has a dual mass flywheel (DMF) it's usually advisable to replace that at the same time even if it's still within spec as sod's law says that if you don't that will be the next issue.
If it's a solid flywheel then providing there is no excessive wear or damage to the area that the driven plate friction surface is in contact with it's not necessary to replace it.
When is yours actually making the noise?
Edited by paintman on Monday 21st December 21:16
If is any part of the clutch that is st fault and needs replacing then it is a false economy to just replace 1 part as you need to separate gearbox from engine, as this takes most of the labour cost you may as well replace the lot
The clutch plate wears most until the plate is so thin then it can wear the flywheel and clutch cover but by then the clutch would be slipping a lot
The clutch plate wears most until the plate is so thin then it can wear the flywheel and clutch cover but by then the clutch would be slipping a lot
Jim
In the Uk we 'work under the 6 year Statute of Limitations, so, if the product fails within 6 years and had an inherent defect the supplier is liable for the repair/replacement. In your case, should you think this Statute of Limitations may obtain and wear/tear has not caused the effect you would do well to go to an independent high quality garage who would be prepared to strip,inspect, report and support. Be prepared to fork out if you cannot show inherent defect. Either way, if you are keeping the car the job needs doing at some point before the car lets you down or becomes more expensive to repair.
Peter
In the Uk we 'work under the 6 year Statute of Limitations, so, if the product fails within 6 years and had an inherent defect the supplier is liable for the repair/replacement. In your case, should you think this Statute of Limitations may obtain and wear/tear has not caused the effect you would do well to go to an independent high quality garage who would be prepared to strip,inspect, report and support. Be prepared to fork out if you cannot show inherent defect. Either way, if you are keeping the car the job needs doing at some point before the car lets you down or becomes more expensive to repair.
Peter
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