Which came first?
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Take a look at the old rekords, they are like the old commodores from the late 70's. The VT commodore which looks similar to the omega was released in 97 from memory. Not sure about vauxhalls and I dont want to know.
Mr Wikipedia has this to say on the early model commodore
The E model can be subdivided into Rekord EI (1977-1982) and Rekord EII (1982-1986). Over 1.4 million units were made.
A version of the EI was sold by Vauxhall in the UK as the Carlton, which featured the distinct 'droop snoot' front end shared with the Chevette and Cavalier. After the release of the EII in 1982, Vauxhall Carltons were distinguishable from Opel Rekords only by their badging, with no sheet metal changes.
The Rekord EI was the basis of the original 1978 Holden Commodore VB. However, to cope with Australian conditions it was strengthened substantially and used the Senator's nose to accommodate the Holden straight-6 and V8 engines.
.. and this on the later VT style
The 1994 Vauxhall/Opel Omega was an all-new car with a modern exterior design but a traditional rear-wheel drive chassis. The engine range was all-new: Four cylinder engines were a 2.0 L petrol and a 2.5 L BMW-sourced turbo-diesel which were reasonably refined and gave acceptable performance. But the V6 engines (2.5 L and 3.0 L) were a far better bet. The top of the range Omega, with the 3.0 L V6, was the most expensive Vauxhall/Opel on the market at £30,000. Transmission options were a 5 speed manual or 4 speed automatic GM_4L30-E_transmission.
From 1997 to 2001, the top three L saloon was sold in the US as a captive import badged as the Cadillac Catera. The Omega platform was also heavily modified and enlarged as the basis of the Australian Holden Commodore (from 1997).
So your answer is opel first for the first 2 models. However I think the VE is a Holden first, this also fits in with the current comments of moving design for RWD platforms to Australia for GM.
Hows that for info.
Mr Wikipedia has this to say on the early model commodore
The E model can be subdivided into Rekord EI (1977-1982) and Rekord EII (1982-1986). Over 1.4 million units were made.
A version of the EI was sold by Vauxhall in the UK as the Carlton, which featured the distinct 'droop snoot' front end shared with the Chevette and Cavalier. After the release of the EII in 1982, Vauxhall Carltons were distinguishable from Opel Rekords only by their badging, with no sheet metal changes.
The Rekord EI was the basis of the original 1978 Holden Commodore VB. However, to cope with Australian conditions it was strengthened substantially and used the Senator's nose to accommodate the Holden straight-6 and V8 engines.
.. and this on the later VT style
The 1994 Vauxhall/Opel Omega was an all-new car with a modern exterior design but a traditional rear-wheel drive chassis. The engine range was all-new: Four cylinder engines were a 2.0 L petrol and a 2.5 L BMW-sourced turbo-diesel which were reasonably refined and gave acceptable performance. But the V6 engines (2.5 L and 3.0 L) were a far better bet. The top of the range Omega, with the 3.0 L V6, was the most expensive Vauxhall/Opel on the market at £30,000. Transmission options were a 5 speed manual or 4 speed automatic GM_4L30-E_transmission.
From 1997 to 2001, the top three L saloon was sold in the US as a captive import badged as the Cadillac Catera. The Omega platform was also heavily modified and enlarged as the basis of the Australian Holden Commodore (from 1997).
So your answer is opel first for the first 2 models. However I think the VE is a Holden first, this also fits in with the current comments of moving design for RWD platforms to Australia for GM.
Hows that for info.
Holden took the 1995 Opel Omega GM2800 platform and completely redesigned it to suit what we now call the VT (Series 1 & 2). They made it wider, longer, and stronger.
The VT Series 1 was in production from Sept 1997 until Sept 2000
The VT Series 2 was in production from June 1999 until Sept 2000
HSV then came along and did their magic on the Commodore to produce the Clubsport & GTS-R's.
So to answer your question, Omega was 1st, Commodore 2nd, and HSV 3rd.
There's pleanty more info on the 'Unofficial Holden Archive'
The VT Series 1 was in production from Sept 1997 until Sept 2000
The VT Series 2 was in production from June 1999 until Sept 2000
HSV then came along and did their magic on the Commodore to produce the Clubsport & GTS-R's.
So to answer your question, Omega was 1st, Commodore 2nd, and HSV 3rd.
There's pleanty more info on the 'Unofficial Holden Archive'
comm_SS_V8 said:
Holden took the 1995 Opel Omega GM2800 platform and completely redesigned it to suit what we now call the VT (Series 1 & 2). They made it wider, longer, and stronger.
And yet somehow lighter?
This is from a Sydney paper www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=19127&vf=3
"Bob Lutz's high praise will be greeted jubilantly within Holden. The VE is very much its own design rather than an adapted European or US platform.
The core rear-wheel drive architecture developed by Holden will underpin a variety of vehicles to be manufactured in Australia, Asia and the USA.
It is expected a reborn Chevrolet Camaro sports coupe based on the Aussie-developed underpinnings will be confirmed soon for production in the North America.
But Mooney is also chasing completely built-up export from Australia to the USA to supplement existing deals that will see VE variations go to the Middle East, China, Korea, Brazil, the UK, South Africa and New Zealand."
Edited by phrich on Sunday 13th August 09:08
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