5.7 v's 6.0...

[GI Jnr]

I this this is my first post in this forum...

I started this thread in GG www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=351749&f=23&h=0 as I am mulling over a new car. But it seems now that what was originally a two horse race, we have a surprise leader...

Question: The used price differential on the 5.7 v's 6.0 is a few grand and am just interested in knowing if it's worth it/what the differences are...

Correct my if I'm wrong.

- more power? (from what to what BTW?)
- bigger wheels
- bigger snout

I do confess to liking the VXR for the larger nose and the potential for a future 500 upgrade... I think it's the cheapest way to 500 bhp if I'm not mistaken...

Thanks for any thoughts/comments.

Tuan

[V8HSV]

mackie1 was right then LOL

[mackie1]

Basically you have 2 model years and 2 models in each year:

2004 CV8 - 5.7l 333bhp LS1 V8, crap brakes, long gearing
2004 VXR - 5.7l 380bhp LS1 V8, better brakes 330mm/315mm f/r, better sterring, shorter final drive giving much better acceleration

2005 CV8 - 5.7l 350bhp LS1 V8, improved but still crap brakes, small boot (due to relocated fuel tank), aux guages on the dash, twin exhaust, nostrils on the bonnet
2005 VXR - 6.0l 400bhp LS2 V8, same brakes as 2004, same gearing as the CV8 but more power than the previous VXR to make up for it. Same small boot as '05 CV8.

The other main differences between the CV8 and VXR are that VXR has better (firmer) suspension, better brakes, different body kit, different steering rack, 19in wheels (with 245/35 tyres). The VXR is basically a rebadged HSV GTO.

[stevieturbo]

This topic has been covered so many times...

In my opinion, one if my biggest concerns about either car, would be the 6.0's severe lack of boot space.

All other areas of the 5.7 versions can very easily be uprated to smoke any of the newer cars. But lets see you try and make your boot bigger on a 6.0 !!!

No chance lol

[ringram]

Yep and the 5.7 is pretty much the same engine in each model, its just exhaust and tune that makes the difference. In fact the 04 VXR engine is the same as the base model CV8.

I would however go with the 04 vxr if you can find one as it has all the nice HSV gear with the large boot. Also pricewise being that its not a 6L it should be a pretty good price.

[after_Shock]

ringram said:

Yep and the 5.7 is pretty much the same engine in each model, its just exhaust and tune that makes the difference. In fact the 04 VXR engine is the same as the base model CV8.

I would however go with the 04 vxr if you can find one as it has all the nice HSV gear with the large boot. Also pricewise being that its not a 6L it should be a pretty good price.

Theirs a 5.7 VXR on auto trader with low miles for £19990 at the minute, lot of car for the cash!

[monkfish1]

GI Jnr said:

I do confess to liking the VXR for the larger nose and the potential for a future 500 upgrade... I think it's the cheapest way to 500 bhp if I'm not mistaken...

Supercharger cost (assuming intercooled)will be much the same regardless which engine you start with.

[Polarbert]

Oi Nerdface!

Listen/watch this and make your mind up on what you want: http://youtube.com/watch?v=uhm1_xEVj8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dTzKbxuHI8

Read the comments on this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=H-xf4VDEuP


http://youtube.com/watch?v=Mvqihpw9Jl

[LuS1fer]

GI Jnr said:

I think it's the cheapest way to 500 bhp if I'm not mistaken...

Not necessarily. Mustang GTs can be picked up fairly cheaply now (I believe EVO's modified Mustang is started at £14k on ebay, not sure where it is now) and a supercharger like mine will cost you £4500 supplied and fitted in the UK but importing one is cheaper still. Mine has 462hp but of course the Mustang weighs about 300 kilos less than a VXR to start with. The Vortech application for the Ford engine is also a lot cheaper than the application for the LS engines. However, there are several kits for the Mustang that offer 500hp or more and the perceived wisdom on these cars is that they will handle 450 rwhp without a problem.

http://musclecarnews.tenmagazines.com

The advantage of the Monaro is RHD whereas the Mustang is LHD of course.

[featherfoot]

LuS1fer said:

The advantage of the Monaro is RHD whereas the Mustang is LHD of course.

And the Monaro goes round corners (ok sometimes sideways)
According to Clarksons' latest DVD - unless it's a Roush? - some others don't!

[s55shh]

stevieturbo said:

This topic has been covered so many times...

In my opinion, one if my biggest concerns about either car, would be the 6.0's severe lack of boot space.

All other areas of the 5.7 versions can very easily be uprated to smoke any of the newer cars. But lets see you try and make your boot bigger on a 6.0 !!!

No chance lol

I've got a roofbox and a Grand Voyager for carrying stuff.

[LuS1fer]

featherfoot said:

LuS1fer said:

The advantage of the Monaro is RHD whereas the Mustang is LHD of course.

And the Monaro goes round corners (ok sometimes sideways)
According to Clarksons' latest DVD - unless it's a Roush? - some others don't!

Don't be misled by Mr Clarkson's deceit. The basic 210hp V6 is what Clarkson used (no grille foglights, base suspension, 16" wheels, narrow rubber, smaller front brakes and no rear roll-bar) whilst quite deliberately lying to the camera that it was a V8. He also used a convertible to ensure it was more flexible than a coupe. There is nothing wrong with the stock Mustang's handling (see Top Gear vs Exige for a demo) and if you look at EVO's track figures, the Mustang is quicker round their circuit than a VXR (with an intake mod I believe and a claimed 370hp which no-one else seems able to replicate). In any event, you can buy the Roush suspension (as I have) for about £1000.

The Roush on Clarkson's DVD (apart from being apparently driven by one of The Duke Boys) did exceptionally well against a track-biased blown Exige on skinned radials packing 240bhp in a car half the weight which was still behind at the halfway stage and only just cut in because the driver of the Mustang seemed to have Roscoe and the Sheriff in hot pursuit Would have been nice to have swopped drivers and seen if the result was the same....and if the Mustang won, edited it out.......

[ringram]

Who wants a girly 4.6L engine anyway!? Why not start with a proper engine with 5.7 or 6L!

[wayne marsh]

I've driven both. The GT Mustang is not in the same league as my 6.0 VXR.

[LuS1fer]

wayne marsh said:

I've driven both. The GT Mustang is not in the same league as my 6.0 VXR.

You forgot IMHO

Of course, the Roush could be in a league above...

Edited by LuS1fer on Tuesday 6th February 16:26

[LuS1fer]

ringram said:

Who wants a girly 4.6L engine anyway!? Why not start with a proper engine with 5.7 or 6L!

You can have smaller engines with two camshafts, 3v per cylinder and variable camshaft timing. Sorry, have I lost you?

[willisit]

LuS1fer said:

featherfoot said:

LuS1fer said:

The advantage of the Monaro is RHD whereas the Mustang is LHD of course.

And the Monaro goes round corners (ok sometimes sideways)
According to Clarksons' latest DVD - unless it's a Roush? - some others don't!

Don't be misled by Mr Clarkson's deceit. The basic 210hp V6 is what Clarkson used (no grille foglights, base suspension, 16" wheels, narrow rubber, smaller front brakes and no rear roll-bar) whilst quite deliberately lying to the camera that it was a V8. He also used a convertible to ensure it was more flexible than a coupe. There is nothing wrong with the stock Mustang's handling (see Top Gear vs Exige for a demo) and if you look at EVO's track figures, the Mustang is quicker round their circuit than a VXR (with an intake mod I believe and a claimed 370hp which no-one else seems able to replicate). In any event, you can buy the Roush suspension (as I have) for about £1000.

The Roush on Clarkson's DVD (apart from being apparently driven by one of The Duke Boys) did exceptionally well against a track-biased blown Exige on skinned radials packing 240bhp in a car half the weight which was still behind at the halfway stage and only just cut in because the driver of the Mustang seemed to have Roscoe and the Sheriff in hot pursuit Would have been nice to have swopped drivers and seen if the result was the same....and if the Mustang won, edited it out.......

I noticed the V6 as well. A very poor show IMO.

I spent a LONG time talking to the official Roush guys at MPH '06 last year. Very nice chaps and the car was pretty darn cool. Has great road presense (especially here).
Not for me, mind. I'd prefer a Vette or the upcoming Camaro. But for now I'm more than happy in the big GM coupe.

[mackie1]

It looks like some healthy Holden vs Ford rivalry is being cultivated here

[LuS1fer]

mackie1 said:

It looks like some healthy Holden vs Ford rivalry is being cultivated here

Devil's advocate as I'm a Camaro/Corvette GM man myself but no Camaro meant the Mustang for me.

[stevieturbo]

LuS1fer said:

ringram said:

Who wants a girly 4.6L engine anyway!? Why not start with a proper engine with 5.7 or 6L!

You can have smaller engines with two camshafts, 3v per cylinder and variable camshaft timing. Sorry, have I lost you?

Still poo.

Make that 4v and strap a blower on top.....and then it will start to have serious appeal. Must admit, I really do like the new Mustangs, they do look superb.
But until they put the stering wheel on the correct side, its a no go.

If Ford were to do it over here, I reckon they would have a massive hit. It would also have a massive knock on effect on the rest of their range, well if they made some better cars. their range is pretty crap lol.

Edited by stevieturbo on Tuesday 6th February 21:03