Apple car play
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Why doesn't Aston offer this as an option? They are a funny company that way. Why not offer an expensive stereo upgrade on the Vantage? Why not CarPlay? This is the was Porsche stays in the black. I'd have built those cash cow options in when I was designing the new Vantage from scratch.
Viahuerto said:
Why doesn't Aston offer this as an option? They are a funny company that way. Why not offer an expensive stereo upgrade on the Vantage? Why not CarPlay? This is the was Porsche stays in the black. I'd have built those cash cow options in when I was designing the new Vantage from scratch.
The previous AMi III system in the previous generation of Astons had carplay. The new one doesnt because I believe the deal done with Mercedes limited them to the "not latest" gen of infortainment, which presumably didnt have Carplay etc at the time. Maybe Merc have moved on a gen and thus upgrades are now permitted? Dunno, Merc cars are not something I look at really.They do offer a Premium Audio package, which if the same as in the previous Vantage was very very good. Every bit as good as the B&O system at 4 times its price, just didnt look as swish.
Edited by AdamV12V on Thursday 29th April 18:50
AdamV12V said:
Viahuerto said:
Why doesn't Aston offer this as an option? They are a funny company that way. Why not offer an expensive stereo upgrade on the Vantage? Why not CarPlay? This is the was Porsche stays in the black. I'd have built those cash cow options in when I was designing the new Vantage from scratch.
The previous AMi III system in the previous generation of Astons had carplay. The new one doesnt because I believe the deal done with Mercedes limited them to the "not latest" gen of infortainment, which presumably didnt have Carplay etc at the time. Maybe Merc have moved on a gen and thus upgrades are now permitted? Dunno, Merc cars are not something I look at really.They do offer a Premium Audio package, which if the same as in the previous Vantage was very very good. Every bit as good as the B&O system at 4 times its price, just didnt look as swish.
Edited by AdamV12V on Thursday 29th April 18:50
Something Ford provides for free in a fiesta.
chesby said:
I don’t know what is worse Aston Martin not providing CarPlay or Ferrari charging £2500 for it.
Something Ford provides for free in a fiesta.
It should be there as standard.Something Ford provides for free in a fiesta.
Do I miss being able to listen and reply to texts hands free ? No. But the point you make is a valid one....why is the AM not capable of doing what a Ford can ?
pschlute said:
chesby said:
I don’t know what is worse Aston Martin not providing CarPlay or Ferrari charging £2500 for it.
Something Ford provides for free in a fiesta.
It should be there as standard.Something Ford provides for free in a fiesta.
Do I miss being able to listen and reply to texts hands free ? No. But the point you make is a valid one....why is the AM not capable of doing what a Ford can ?
It wouldn’t be a disaster if I didn’t have it in my fun car. In my daily, which a DBX would be it is essential to compete with the likes of the Bentley.
AdamV12V said:
The previous AMi III system in the previous generation of Astons had carplay. The new one doesnt because I believe the deal done with Mercedes limited them to the "not latest" gen of infortainment, which presumably didnt have Carplay etc at the time. Maybe Merc have moved on a gen and thus upgrades are now permitted? Dunno, Merc cars are not something I look at really.
They do offer a Premium Audio package, which if the same as in the previous Vantage was very very good. Every bit as good as the B&O system at 4 times its price, just didnt look as swish.
I have the Premium Audio package and as much as I love the car I beg to differ on the sound quality of the stereo. It just isn't in the league of the B&O; Burmeister; Naim; Bowers &Wilkins units. For a car this expensive I'm simply suggesting AM should offer a higher level stereo. As a side note I went to Atlanta last week for business and had a cheap SUV as my rental car. The sound quality in the rental blew my Aston away. To be honest this isn't a deal breaker for me. I love my car and can live with the stereo. I'm just think there is market upside if AM can figure out how to deploy these goodies. They do offer a Premium Audio package, which if the same as in the previous Vantage was very very good. Every bit as good as the B&O system at 4 times its price, just didnt look as swish.
Edited by AdamV12V on Thursday 29th April 18:50
I also don't care about CarPlay that much. Except my cheap SUV rental had it and it did make life a bit easier. Again, not a deal breaker...but I can see how AM would struggle in a super competitive marketplace.
Viahuerto said:
AdamV12V said:
The previous AMi III system in the previous generation of Astons had carplay. The new one doesnt because I believe the deal done with Mercedes limited them to the "not latest" gen of infortainment, which presumably didnt have Carplay etc at the time. Maybe Merc have moved on a gen and thus upgrades are now permitted? Dunno, Merc cars are not something I look at really.
They do offer a Premium Audio package, which if the same as in the previous Vantage was very very good. Every bit as good as the B&O system at 4 times its price, just didnt look as swish.
I have the Premium Audio package and as much as I love the car I beg to differ on the sound quality of the stereo. It just isn't in the league of the B&O; Burmeister; Naim; Bowers &Wilkins units. For a car this expensive I'm simply suggesting AM should offer a higher level stereo. As a side note I went to Atlanta last week for business and had a cheap SUV as my rental car. The sound quality in the rental blew my Aston away. To be honest this isn't a deal breaker for me. I love my car and can live with the stereo. I'm just think there is market upside if AM can figure out how to deploy these goodies. They do offer a Premium Audio package, which if the same as in the previous Vantage was very very good. Every bit as good as the B&O system at 4 times its price, just didnt look as swish.
Edited by AdamV12V on Thursday 29th April 18:50
I also don't care about CarPlay that much. Except my cheap SUV rental had it and it did make life a bit easier. Again, not a deal breaker...but I can see how AM would struggle in a super competitive marketplace.
I do agree however that a great sound system is really important in a premium vehicle, so it is sad to hear that the new Vantage fall short in this area. Further confirms it's not a car for me I suspect, as it would be a deal breaker. I dont subscribe to the often posted viewpoint "of just listen to the engine" either.
The previous vantage Premium one was every bit as good, sonically as the B&O option. I currently own a car with both so can directly compare.
Carplay does nothing for me. I have it, used it once, largely to prove it worked, and decided it was a gimmick and never used it again in 4yrs of ownership. Tech like this will age the cars prematurely too, which as Ive said before is fine in a rental / disposible daily driver, but in a keeper car, IMHO its a bad idea.
This topic was discussed in great depth on the DB11 Facelift thread a few weeks ago. As most of us know, MB have limited what infotainment version AM can use, and as a result the systems in the current crop of cars have lacked some functionality available in the latest MB vehicles, and indeed cheaper mainstream mass produced offerings from other manufacturers. The post from AM Cambridge is interesting. Are they simply buying in the upgrade kit from Aston Installations and retro fitting it? (as anyone can do should they wish to tackle the task themselves). Or does this mark a later version being available to AM across the board, similar to what is fitted in the DBX? With regards to future obsolescence, surely the limitations of CarPlay are down to the device used, rather than the hardware installed in the car? I’m no expert, but I would have thought if you keep your phone up to date with the latest IOS, and upgrade the handset when updates can no longer be installed, any worries over longevity shouldn’t really be a problem.
Best Regards
Minglar
Best Regards
Minglar
Minglar said:
This topic was discussed in great depth on the DB11 Facelift thread a few weeks ago. As most of us know, MB have limited what infotainment version AM can use, and as a result the systems in the current crop of cars have lacked some functionality available in the latest MB vehicles, and indeed cheaper mainstream mass produced offerings from other manufacturers. The post from AM Cambridge is interesting. Are they simply buying in the upgrade kit from Aston Installations and retro fitting it? (as anyone can do should they wish to tackle the task themselves). Or does this mark a later version being available to AM across the board, similar to what is fitted in the DBX? With regards to future obsolescence, surely the limitations of CarPlay are down to the device used, rather than the hardware installed in the car? I’m no expert, but I would have thought if you keep your phone up to date with the latest IOS, and upgrade the handset when updates can no longer be installed, any worries over longevity shouldn’t really be a problem.
Best Regards
Minglar
Trust me, (I worked in IT for over 30yrs), there will be a time a few years from now when Carplay "2" is released which will support a whole raft of new features, and it will mean that at some point thereafter phone handset manufacturers will no longer feel the need to support the original Carplay stack, or such support will start to become buggy and unreliable. At that point your car would need flashing/upgrading to support Carplay "2" too, just as it needs software now to support Carplay. At that stage this will only be available, like say bluetooth is on earlier Astons, via third party mods and bolt on products. This is of course what Carplay and Android Auto are attempting to overcome, by offloading the apps / features into the disposable handset and then only worrying about connectivity, rather than embedding apps into the car which is less disposable, but sooner or later things will move on to the next generation of consumer "needs".Best Regards
Minglar
All that said in something like an Aston which will hopefully be around for decades to come, I think we will see the situation arise. My guess - about 3-5years from now for Carplay "2" etc...
However given the future of ICE, its only a matter of time before our cars are condemned to airfields and tracks, so maybe that will negate everything I am saying as you really wont need any of that kind of tech if you aren't allowed on the public highways any more.
Dewi 2 said:
Am I missing out by not having Apple Car Play ?
What are the features / benefits and how would it save me time / make my life easier ?
I like IT, but only use kit which genuinely helps me.
Basically Carplay and Android Auto, allow you to connect your phone to you car infotainment and the car screen becomes a mirror input/output for everything installed on your phone.
So if you have some "killer apps" on your phone that you simply feel you must have on your car screen, then this tech is for you. Waze is perhaps the most often cited such killer app for driving.
If you have neither any use for such killer apps, or are just quite happy with them just on your phone and not mirrored to your car, then its all a bit pointless.
AdamV12V said:
Not in my opinion, but there are obviously some who feel it is essential.
Basically Carplay and Android Auto, allow you to connect your phone to you car infotainment and the car screen becomes a mirror input/output for everything installed on your phone.
So if you have some "killer apps" on your phone that you simply feel you must have on your car screen, then this tech is for you. Waze is perhaps the most often cited such killer app for driving.
If you have neither any use for such killer apps, or are just quite happy with them just on your phone and not mirrored to your car, then its all a bit pointless.
Basically Carplay and Android Auto, allow you to connect your phone to you car infotainment and the car screen becomes a mirror input/output for everything installed on your phone.
So if you have some "killer apps" on your phone that you simply feel you must have on your car screen, then this tech is for you. Waze is perhaps the most often cited such killer app for driving.
If you have neither any use for such killer apps, or are just quite happy with them just on your phone and not mirrored to your car, then its all a bit pointless.
Thank you Adam. Yes, it sounds as though it is almost a deal breaker for some people.
I rarely travel for time critical appointments, or in unfamiliar locations, so live traffic or direction information is not important.
Understandable though, that good tech greatly helps 'on the move' busy people.
I have an enormous quantity of free high quality music tracks, which are easily played in a car from USB memory sticks.
Web browsing is only done at home. I like driving, so no chauffeur, and only need telephone call tech in cars.
For many people, perhaps it might even be considered a treat, to switch off from the digital world when travelling by car.
Dewi 2 said:
AdamV12V said:
Not in my opinion, but there are obviously some who feel it is essential.
Basically Carplay and Android Auto, allow you to connect your phone to you car infotainment and the car screen becomes a mirror input/output for everything installed on your phone.
So if you have some "killer apps" on your phone that you simply feel you must have on your car screen, then this tech is for you. Waze is perhaps the most often cited such killer app for driving.
If you have neither any use for such killer apps, or are just quite happy with them just on your phone and not mirrored to your car, then its all a bit pointless.
Basically Carplay and Android Auto, allow you to connect your phone to you car infotainment and the car screen becomes a mirror input/output for everything installed on your phone.
So if you have some "killer apps" on your phone that you simply feel you must have on your car screen, then this tech is for you. Waze is perhaps the most often cited such killer app for driving.
If you have neither any use for such killer apps, or are just quite happy with them just on your phone and not mirrored to your car, then its all a bit pointless.
Thank you Adam. Yes, it sounds as though it is almost a deal breaker for some people.
I rarely travel for time critical appointments, or in unfamiliar locations, so live traffic or direction information is not important.
Understandable though, that good tech greatly helps 'on the move' busy people.
I have an enormous quantity of free high quality music tracks, which are easily played in a car from USB memory sticks.
Web browsing is only done at home. I like driving, so no chauffeur, and only need telephone call tech in cars.
For many people, perhaps it might even be considered a treat, to switch off from the digital world when travelling by car.
Carplay allows you to use carplay enabled apps from your phone, in your car. Not any and every app on your phone. The list of enabled apps is very long but there are limitations.
Dewi 2 said:
AdamV12V said:
Not in my opinion, but there are obviously some who feel it is essential.
Basically Carplay and Android Auto, allow you to connect your phone to you car infotainment and the car screen becomes a mirror input/output for everything installed on your phone.
So if you have some "killer apps" on your phone that you simply feel you must have on your car screen, then this tech is for you. Waze is perhaps the most often cited such killer app for driving.
If you have neither any use for such killer apps, or are just quite happy with them just on your phone and not mirrored to your car, then its all a bit pointless.
Basically Carplay and Android Auto, allow you to connect your phone to you car infotainment and the car screen becomes a mirror input/output for everything installed on your phone.
So if you have some "killer apps" on your phone that you simply feel you must have on your car screen, then this tech is for you. Waze is perhaps the most often cited such killer app for driving.
If you have neither any use for such killer apps, or are just quite happy with them just on your phone and not mirrored to your car, then its all a bit pointless.
Thank you Adam. Yes, it sounds as though it is almost a deal breaker for some people.
I rarely travel for time critical appointments, or in unfamiliar locations, so live traffic or direction information is not important.
Understandable though, that good tech greatly helps 'on the move' busy people.
I have an enormous quantity of free high quality music tracks, which are easily played in a car from USB memory sticks.
Web browsing is only done at home. I like driving, so no chauffeur, and only need telephone call tech in cars.
For many people, perhaps it might even be considered a treat, to switch off from the digital world when travelling by car.
The major advantage of Waze even if you don’t need the navigation function is the speed camera warning system, because of other users being able to easily mark hazards it is also able to warn about mobile camera vans and police officers with speed cameras.
chesby said:
The major advantage of Waze even if you don’t need the navigation function is the speed camera warning system, because of other users being able to easily mark hazards it is also able to warn about mobile camera vans and police officers with speed cameras.
I have a few known safe roads available, but otherwise I strictly obey speed limits these days.
Having to pay a higher insurance premium for the full 5 years, on quite a few cars, is against my principals.
Insurers can receive more money in total, as a result of being caught speeding, than the actual amount of the fine.
Anyway I feel that it is only polite, to give other people more time to look at the best of British sports cars.
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