Vanquish or DB11
Discussion
Hi all
Had a Vantage a few years back, currently in an M6 Competition and a RR Vogue, thinking about moving the M6 on and looking at Astons again.
As per title, has anyone had both, any owner opinions/experience you would care to share with me?
Thinking 2016 Vanq or 2018 DB11 as similar money.
Thanks in advance
Had a Vantage a few years back, currently in an M6 Competition and a RR Vogue, thinking about moving the M6 on and looking at Astons again.
As per title, has anyone had both, any owner opinions/experience you would care to share with me?
Thinking 2016 Vanq or 2018 DB11 as similar money.
Thanks in advance
Most on this forum are n/a VH afficionado and will tell you Vanquish.
But, assuming you have looked at both ‘in the flesh’ at dealers etc, and you find yourself still on the fence (on looks, the Vanq still wins), then you have to test drive.
Assuming you are talking about the 600 or 630hp V12 DB11, then make no mistake, the DB11 is the much more modern, faster and more comfortable steer. It’s far more of an all-round performer, it’s more torquey, more roomey, more efficient, and has a newer chassis and far newer tech like keyless entry etc. Even without the simple AMR remap a DB11 will be quicker than a Vanq on any UK road around 95% of the time, a Vanq would need to be at 6500rpm in the right gear with foot buried firmly to the floor and have a very determined driver to outpace a fairly lazily driven twin turbo V12. The DB11 has taken loads of stick for having sometimes awkward looks, but it features a fabulous and rare, and about to be discontinued twin turbo V12, which is the only ever UK designed and developed twin turbo V12 (the Bentley W12 is very much a VAG unit, as the RR V12 a BMW unit), and as such is a little bit of history. Don’t discount the DB11 before you drive them both. As a car, to be used over distances rather than just admired, the DB11 is a class act.
On the flip side, the general view, which I agree with, is that the Vanquish is probably the best looking Aston of the past 30years. It’s also the best resolved of all the n/a VH era, and makes the best noise of any AM. For most on here, if it was a decision of the heart, it would be Vanquish.
Good luck with the test drives
But, assuming you have looked at both ‘in the flesh’ at dealers etc, and you find yourself still on the fence (on looks, the Vanq still wins), then you have to test drive.
Assuming you are talking about the 600 or 630hp V12 DB11, then make no mistake, the DB11 is the much more modern, faster and more comfortable steer. It’s far more of an all-round performer, it’s more torquey, more roomey, more efficient, and has a newer chassis and far newer tech like keyless entry etc. Even without the simple AMR remap a DB11 will be quicker than a Vanq on any UK road around 95% of the time, a Vanq would need to be at 6500rpm in the right gear with foot buried firmly to the floor and have a very determined driver to outpace a fairly lazily driven twin turbo V12. The DB11 has taken loads of stick for having sometimes awkward looks, but it features a fabulous and rare, and about to be discontinued twin turbo V12, which is the only ever UK designed and developed twin turbo V12 (the Bentley W12 is very much a VAG unit, as the RR V12 a BMW unit), and as such is a little bit of history. Don’t discount the DB11 before you drive them both. As a car, to be used over distances rather than just admired, the DB11 is a class act.
On the flip side, the general view, which I agree with, is that the Vanquish is probably the best looking Aston of the past 30years. It’s also the best resolved of all the n/a VH era, and makes the best noise of any AM. For most on here, if it was a decision of the heart, it would be Vanquish.
Good luck with the test drives
Edited by Calinours on Saturday 1st April 16:36
jonamv8 said:
Hi all
Had a Vantage a few years back, currently in an M6 Competition and a RR Vogue, thinking about moving the M6 on and looking at Astons again.
As per title, has anyone had both, any owner opinions/experience you would care to share with me?
Thinking 2016 Vanq or 2018 DB11 as similar money.
Thanks in advance
which one are you looking at?Had a Vantage a few years back, currently in an M6 Competition and a RR Vogue, thinking about moving the M6 on and looking at Astons again.
As per title, has anyone had both, any owner opinions/experience you would care to share with me?
Thinking 2016 Vanq or 2018 DB11 as similar money.
Thanks in advance
hashluck said:
I test drove a new DB11 before taking delivery of my used Vanquish in 2017 and it was an easy decision to stay with the Vanquish for me. Better in every department, especially once I upgraded the Vanquish to AMi III and removed the secondary cats (both official AM upgrades).
Bet thats loud!How much was the AM infotainment upgrade? Guessing you can have this done independently or is it main dealer only?
jonamv8 said:
How much was the AM infotainment upgrade? Guessing you can have this done independently or is it main dealer only?
AMI III UPDATE PACKAdamV12V said:
jonamv8 said:
How much was the AM infotainment upgrade? Guessing you can have this done independently or is it main dealer only?
AMI III UPDATE PACKCalinours said:
Most on this forum are n/a VH afficionado and will tell you Vanquish.
But, assuming you have looked at both ‘in the flesh’ at dealers etc, and you find yourself still on the fence (on looks, the Vanq still wins), then you have to test drive.
Assuming you are talking about the 600 or 630hp V12 DB11, then make no mistake, the DB11 is the much more modern, faster and more comfortable steer. It’s far more of an all-round performer, it’s more torquey, more roomey, more efficient, and has a newer chassis and far newer tech like keyless entry etc. Even without the simple AMR remap a DB11 will be quicker than a Vanq on any UK road around 95% of the time, a Vanq would need to be at 6500rpm in the right gear with foot buried firmly to the floor and have a very determined driver to outpace a fairly lazily driven twin turbo V12. The DB11 has taken loads of stick for having sometimes awkward looks, but it features a fabulous and rare, and about to be discontinued twin turbo V12, which is the only ever UK designed and developed twin turbo V12 (the Bentley W12 is very much a VAG unit, as the RR V12 a BMW unit), and as such is a little bit of history. Don’t discount the DB11 before you drive them both. As a car, to be used over distances rather than just admired, the DB11 is a class act.
On the flip side, the general view, which I agree with, is that the Vanquish is probably the best looking Aston of the past 30years. It’s also the best resolved of all the n/a VH era, and makes the best noise of any AM. For most on here, if it was a decision of the heart, it would be Vanquish.
Good luck with the test drives
This is pretty much where I’m at, heart says Vanquish head says DB11. I’m fortunate to have another vehicle which is more practical so I don’t have to be rules by the head! Also think I’ll lose more on the DB11 in depreciation….But, assuming you have looked at both ‘in the flesh’ at dealers etc, and you find yourself still on the fence (on looks, the Vanq still wins), then you have to test drive.
Assuming you are talking about the 600 or 630hp V12 DB11, then make no mistake, the DB11 is the much more modern, faster and more comfortable steer. It’s far more of an all-round performer, it’s more torquey, more roomey, more efficient, and has a newer chassis and far newer tech like keyless entry etc. Even without the simple AMR remap a DB11 will be quicker than a Vanq on any UK road around 95% of the time, a Vanq would need to be at 6500rpm in the right gear with foot buried firmly to the floor and have a very determined driver to outpace a fairly lazily driven twin turbo V12. The DB11 has taken loads of stick for having sometimes awkward looks, but it features a fabulous and rare, and about to be discontinued twin turbo V12, which is the only ever UK designed and developed twin turbo V12 (the Bentley W12 is very much a VAG unit, as the RR V12 a BMW unit), and as such is a little bit of history. Don’t discount the DB11 before you drive them both. As a car, to be used over distances rather than just admired, the DB11 is a class act.
On the flip side, the general view, which I agree with, is that the Vanquish is probably the best looking Aston of the past 30years. It’s also the best resolved of all the n/a VH era, and makes the best noise of any AM. For most on here, if it was a decision of the heart, it would be Vanquish.
Good luck with the test drives
Edited by Calinours on Saturday 1st April 16:36
jonamv8 said:
Wow thats not pricey! I’ve been out of the loops with Aston for a few years now, from what I can gather a 15/16 Vanq and an 18 DB11 would be on the previous iteration AMI II ?
a 15/16 Vanq would be on AMi II yes, and could have the OEM upgrade to AMi III. A 17/18 Vanq would have AMi III already from the factory.A 18 DB11 would however be the MB system so not comparable, and from what Ive read a step backwards - certainly didnt have carplay at first.
AdamV12V said:
jonamv8 said:
Wow thats not pricey! I’ve been out of the loops with Aston for a few years now, from what I can gather a 15/16 Vanq and an 18 DB11 would be on the previous iteration AMI II ?
a 15/16 Vanq would be on AMi II yes, and could have the OEM upgrade to AMi III. A 17/18 Vanq would have AMi III already from the factory.A 18 DB11 would however be the MB system so not comparable, and from what Ive read a step backwards - certainly didnt have carplay at first.
So am I right in thinking AMi II can have apple carplay added? Or may come with it already?
The premium on the 17/18 I’m struggling with, £££ wise the 15/16 seems a sweet spot with the 8 spd box. Shocked with some of the mpg figures i’m seeing as I regularly do a 360 mile Devon roundtrip.
jonamv8 said:
AdamV12V said:
jonamv8 said:
Wow thats not pricey! I’ve been out of the loops with Aston for a few years now, from what I can gather a 15/16 Vanq and an 18 DB11 would be on the previous iteration AMI II ?
a 15/16 Vanq would be on AMi II yes, and could have the OEM upgrade to AMi III. A 17/18 Vanq would have AMi III already from the factory.A 18 DB11 would however be the MB system so not comparable, and from what Ive read a step backwards - certainly didnt have carplay at first.
So am I right in thinking AMi II can have apple carplay added? Or may come with it already?
The premium on the 17/18 I’m struggling with, £££ wise the 15/16 seems a sweet spot with the 8 spd box. Shocked with some of the mpg figures i’m seeing as I regularly do a 360 mile Devon roundtrip.
If you have found a nice MY16 car then ask if the AMi III upgrade has already been done - it may have. Or get it thrown into the deal with the haggle on price....
AdamV12V said:
AMi II does not have carplay - you either need to upgrade it to AMi III via the dealer upgrade listed above (call them and haggle a discount), or goto a 3rd party for a non OEM carplay add on, the likes of Aston Installations.
If you have found a nice MY16 car then ask if the AMi III upgrade has already been done - it may have. Or get it thrown into the deal with the haggle on price....
Cheers for the info :-)If you have found a nice MY16 car then ask if the AMi III upgrade has already been done - it may have. Or get it thrown into the deal with the haggle on price....
I’ve been looking at Aston Installations as they arent too far from me, AMi II with a none OEM carplay would probably suffice, cant see costs on the site tho I’ll get in touch with them tomorrow.
I’m not discounting cars outside of the main dealers so if I find one at an independent or private I doubt i’ll be able to get AMi III thrown into the deal.
At the end of the day as long as I have nav and ability to stream music I’ll be happy, its not my daily and i dont do many miles due to WFH.
Appreciate all the feedback, opinion and advice so far all - thanks!!
Just to try to continue to try to balance the thread, I add this point about the DB11 V12, the case for the twin turbo V12..
AM are dropping their very own, expensively developed turbocharged Aston-Martin Engine 31 (AE31) V12 from the about to be launched facelifted DB11 (to be named DB12).
Thus, the only cars ever using that absolutely fabulous, stonking Aston Martin developed engine would have been about 25% of 2016-2023 DB11, the DBS, a handful of V12 Vantage and the odd special.
Remember that the AE31 might be the last ever true Aston Martin engine, and it could never be accused of being two Ford V6 by some numpty in the pub..
Then there’s the power and the potential. The AE31 is a very, very special motor which has simply not had the reverence that it has deserved. Base power numbers can be misleading. While remaining utterly silky smooth, the AE31 is a far stronger and more muscular V12 than the Vanqs still glorious but n/a lump.
It’s exactly the same engine as in the DBS. It even has the same factory assembly number. A simple reflash took power from the DB11’s already thumping 700Nm and 630bhp to the DBS’s enormous 900Nm peak and still-sandbagged 715bhp power peak, which was later lifted to 770bhp for run out models. For the DBS application, the AE31 had to be fitted with an uprated version of the already very robust ZF8HP box to cope with the massive torque.
Many, Aston VH owners on PH modified their cars to improved them and make them quicker. That didn’t really happen with the turbo stuff as most considered them quick enough as standard.
For anyone interested, and though a heavy foot may be overloading the transmission (in DB11 the ZF is rated for 750Nm), it would be a very simple thing to take a DB11 V12 and reflash it to DBS power.
AM are dropping their very own, expensively developed turbocharged Aston-Martin Engine 31 (AE31) V12 from the about to be launched facelifted DB11 (to be named DB12).
Thus, the only cars ever using that absolutely fabulous, stonking Aston Martin developed engine would have been about 25% of 2016-2023 DB11, the DBS, a handful of V12 Vantage and the odd special.
Remember that the AE31 might be the last ever true Aston Martin engine, and it could never be accused of being two Ford V6 by some numpty in the pub..
Then there’s the power and the potential. The AE31 is a very, very special motor which has simply not had the reverence that it has deserved. Base power numbers can be misleading. While remaining utterly silky smooth, the AE31 is a far stronger and more muscular V12 than the Vanqs still glorious but n/a lump.
It’s exactly the same engine as in the DBS. It even has the same factory assembly number. A simple reflash took power from the DB11’s already thumping 700Nm and 630bhp to the DBS’s enormous 900Nm peak and still-sandbagged 715bhp power peak, which was later lifted to 770bhp for run out models. For the DBS application, the AE31 had to be fitted with an uprated version of the already very robust ZF8HP box to cope with the massive torque.
Many, Aston VH owners on PH modified their cars to improved them and make them quicker. That didn’t really happen with the turbo stuff as most considered them quick enough as standard.
For anyone interested, and though a heavy foot may be overloading the transmission (in DB11 the ZF is rated for 750Nm), it would be a very simple thing to take a DB11 V12 and reflash it to DBS power.
Edited by Calinours on Sunday 2nd April 11:42
jonamv8 said:
Cheers for the info :-)
I’ve been looking at Aston Installations as they arent too far from me, AMi II with a none OEM carplay would probably suffice, cant see costs on the site tho I’ll get in touch with them tomorrow.
I’m not discounting cars outside of the main dealers so if I find one at an independent or private I doubt i’ll be able to get AMi III thrown into the deal.
At the end of the day as long as I have nav and ability to stream music I’ll be happy, its not my daily and i dont do many miles due to WFH.
Appreciate all the feedback, opinion and advice so far all - thanks!!
The Nav in AMi III is substantially better than AMi II. Its opensource maps and gets free updates every year with a main dealer service, so thats something to consider too. You wouldnt get that with AMi II or an Aston Installations carplay add on, but of course carplay lets you use a phone nav app.I’ve been looking at Aston Installations as they arent too far from me, AMi II with a none OEM carplay would probably suffice, cant see costs on the site tho I’ll get in touch with them tomorrow.
I’m not discounting cars outside of the main dealers so if I find one at an independent or private I doubt i’ll be able to get AMi III thrown into the deal.
At the end of the day as long as I have nav and ability to stream music I’ll be happy, its not my daily and i dont do many miles due to WFH.
Appreciate all the feedback, opinion and advice so far all - thanks!!
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