DC2 ITR vs s14 touring
Discussion
Hello all, im looking to get a new car, to put it blunt. These two cars have previously been un-insurable for me but now, times have changed!
In one corner, we have what is hailed as one of the greatest fwd cars ever, and an absolutely cracking engine.
In the other corner, we have the "drifters choice" so to speak, and that sr20det engine is oh so good also.
I'm not gonna lie, both cars I personally think look great. The integra just looks like it means business, whereas the s14 has that angry looking "f
k off" front end. I realise that these are two completely different cars, but I have never had a car of this calibre before, so I would like to make my decision wisely with the help of you jap chat lot. I would assume that the s14 has the edge when it comes to tuning, and I realise that they can be made to be pretty quick. The integra however has the upper hand as standard, and has that brilliant vtec engine. Not to mention the immaculate handling, and general "weapon" feel.
Any thoughts and suggestions? Its worth noting that this would be an everyday car, I do not travel long distances apart from on the odd occasion. It's also worth noting that the s14 is 200 quid cheaper to insure.
So, PH. Hit me.
In one corner, we have what is hailed as one of the greatest fwd cars ever, and an absolutely cracking engine.
In the other corner, we have the "drifters choice" so to speak, and that sr20det engine is oh so good also.
I'm not gonna lie, both cars I personally think look great. The integra just looks like it means business, whereas the s14 has that angry looking "f
k off" front end. I realise that these are two completely different cars, but I have never had a car of this calibre before, so I would like to make my decision wisely with the help of you jap chat lot. I would assume that the s14 has the edge when it comes to tuning, and I realise that they can be made to be pretty quick. The integra however has the upper hand as standard, and has that brilliant vtec engine. Not to mention the immaculate handling, and general "weapon" feel.Any thoughts and suggestions? Its worth noting that this would be an everyday car, I do not travel long distances apart from on the odd occasion. It's also worth noting that the s14 is 200 quid cheaper to insure.
So, PH. Hit me.
Either car will be fine for everyday use. As you say the ITR is a sharper tool as standard, but the potential for modifying a 200SX is huge. Have you had a chance to drive either/both?
It will probably come down to whether you prefer:
a) Turbo-torque, excellent RWD balance and the ability to combine sideways antics with relaxed high-speed cruising.
or
b) A rev-happy engine that has to be worked hard to get the best out of it, precise handling and involvement but with little room for real improvement over standard and less refinement than the 200SX.
You can always make a 200SX more hardcore if you find it too soft...
It will probably come down to whether you prefer:
a) Turbo-torque, excellent RWD balance and the ability to combine sideways antics with relaxed high-speed cruising.
or
b) A rev-happy engine that has to be worked hard to get the best out of it, precise handling and involvement but with little room for real improvement over standard and less refinement than the 200SX.
You can always make a 200SX more hardcore if you find it too soft...
I used to have a dc2 and just bought an s15 which has been modded a bit so maybe I can help. The dc2 is awesome at b roads and the like, it glides over bumps and inspires confidence. The 200 doesnt take the bumps so well but is rwd so still a lot of fun. The dc2 has a massive boot and is really practical and also smaller so I'd say it was better for day to day use. Also you can get people in back quite easily although it's still pretty uncomfortable for them but hey it's your car! dc2 is cheaper to run too especially as petrol is going up per week. I say get a dc2 unless you crave RWD then get a 200sx.
I've owned and modified an 200SX. It is a very good car. Good handling, no noticable turbo lag, Comfortable and perfect for an every day car.
Also, easily modified in to a very good fast road car. The standard engine is good for 280bhp if I remember correctly. Which can achieved with free flowing exhaust, turbo elbow, down pipe and filter, boost controller, colder plugs, ECU or chip for the standard ECU, good brake pads, and better suspension.
For greater info pop over to the www.sxoc.com
Also, I'd go for the S14a a much better looking car than the S14.
Also, easily modified in to a very good fast road car. The standard engine is good for 280bhp if I remember correctly. Which can achieved with free flowing exhaust, turbo elbow, down pipe and filter, boost controller, colder plugs, ECU or chip for the standard ECU, good brake pads, and better suspension.
For greater info pop over to the www.sxoc.com
Also, I'd go for the S14a a much better looking car than the S14.
I think its down to things like this:
- The Nissan will be a much more of a holigans car, as in you can have more fun at lower speeds, wheelspinning, powersliding and such. It's also the faster car out on the open roads, this I feel is a very important consideration depending on were you live in the country and the types of roads you drive on mostly. If you are in the midlands/fens/London region then there are plenty of BIG fast roads. If however you spend most of your time on much smaller back roads where you almost never get the chance to go to WOT or get above 3rd gear then maybe this isn't the car for you as you simply won't get to enjoy it as much as you should.
Other things to consider is the wealth of tuning potential for the Nissan and the slightly more mature impage and appearance, as in full on coupe/saloon styling as opposed to hot hatch derived looking 3 door coupe.
So the Nissan is faster with more potential, a better GT car and more comfy for daily use.
- The Honda on the other hand is more feisty and ready for action all of the time. If you often drive with a hangover then I'd look elsewhere as this won't be for you. It's also a much more manic car, this is what makes it fun but over longer distances the ITR is more of a dedicated option.
Other bonuses are the Honda is probably better built and will be cheaper to run. I've had a few Nissan's including a 200SX and while they have been ok, I'm not fully sold on this Japanese reliability thing, parts can be expensive too. Then there's fuel, the ITR should be much more frugal and smaller and easier to park if you have to parallel park often.
Personally I'd probably opt for the ITR, but that may be more to do with the fact I've already had a 200SX and have a good alternative to that type of car now.
I'm sure you've considered other cars, but if not I'd also take a look at things like a Impreza WRX/STI, GT-Four, MR2 turbo and some imports from the other side of the Pacific. With similar running costs to the 200SX you could get yourself a 5.7 litre (275-350hp) V8 muscle car. Its worth noting that such cars as these are exactly what the Japanese car makers were often building cars to compete against.
- The Nissan will be a much more of a holigans car, as in you can have more fun at lower speeds, wheelspinning, powersliding and such. It's also the faster car out on the open roads, this I feel is a very important consideration depending on were you live in the country and the types of roads you drive on mostly. If you are in the midlands/fens/London region then there are plenty of BIG fast roads. If however you spend most of your time on much smaller back roads where you almost never get the chance to go to WOT or get above 3rd gear then maybe this isn't the car for you as you simply won't get to enjoy it as much as you should.
Other things to consider is the wealth of tuning potential for the Nissan and the slightly more mature impage and appearance, as in full on coupe/saloon styling as opposed to hot hatch derived looking 3 door coupe.
So the Nissan is faster with more potential, a better GT car and more comfy for daily use.
- The Honda on the other hand is more feisty and ready for action all of the time. If you often drive with a hangover then I'd look elsewhere as this won't be for you. It's also a much more manic car, this is what makes it fun but over longer distances the ITR is more of a dedicated option.
Other bonuses are the Honda is probably better built and will be cheaper to run. I've had a few Nissan's including a 200SX and while they have been ok, I'm not fully sold on this Japanese reliability thing, parts can be expensive too. Then there's fuel, the ITR should be much more frugal and smaller and easier to park if you have to parallel park often.
Personally I'd probably opt for the ITR, but that may be more to do with the fact I've already had a 200SX and have a good alternative to that type of car now.
I'm sure you've considered other cars, but if not I'd also take a look at things like a Impreza WRX/STI, GT-Four, MR2 turbo and some imports from the other side of the Pacific. With similar running costs to the 200SX you could get yourself a 5.7 litre (275-350hp) V8 muscle car. Its worth noting that such cars as these are exactly what the Japanese car makers were often building cars to compete against.
Having driven both they are about as different as you could get (given they are both Jap coupes). Both have pros and cons high lighted above. For me though by far the best performance Jap performance car for around that price point (assuming you don’t need 4 seats) is the mk2 mr2 rev3 turbo its faster than both, and can be tuned to 300bhp for about £500 easily and reliably, it has fairly good handling too once used it.
What cars are you coming from if you have not had a powerful rear wheel drive car before try and get your self on a airfield training day or similar if you opt for the 200sx.
What cars are you coming from if you have not had a powerful rear wheel drive car before try and get your self on a airfield training day or similar if you opt for the 200sx.
300bhp/ton said:
I think its down to things like this:
- The Nissan will be a much more of a holigans car, as in you can have more fun at lower speeds, wheelspinning, powersliding and such. It's also the faster car out on the open roads, this I feel is a very important consideration depending on were you live in the country and the types of roads you drive on mostly. If you are in the midlands/fens/London region then there are plenty of BIG fast roads. If however you spend most of your time on much smaller back roads where you almost never get the chance to go to WOT or get above 3rd gear then maybe this isn't the car for you as you simply won't get to enjoy it as much as you should.
Other things to consider is the wealth of tuning potential for the Nissan and the slightly more mature impage and appearance, as in full on coupe/saloon styling as opposed to hot hatch derived looking 3 door coupe.
So the Nissan is faster with more potential, a better GT car and more comfy for daily use.
- The Honda on the other hand is more feisty and ready for action all of the time. If you often drive with a hangover then I'd look elsewhere as this won't be for you. It's also a much more manic car, this is what makes it fun but over longer distances the ITR is more of a dedicated option.
Other bonuses are the Honda is probably better built and will be cheaper to run. I've had a few Nissan's including a 200SX and while they have been ok, I'm not fully sold on this Japanese reliability thing, parts can be expensive too. Then there's fuel, the ITR should be much more frugal and smaller and easier to park if you have to parallel park often.
Personally I'd probably opt for the ITR, but that may be more to do with the fact I've already had a 200SX and have a good alternative to that type of car now.
I'm sure you've considered other cars, but if not I'd also take a look at things like a Impreza WRX/STI, GT-Four, MR2 turbo and some imports from the other side of the Pacific. With similar running costs to the 200SX you could get yourself a 5.7 litre (275-350hp) V8 muscle car. Its worth noting that such cars as these are exactly what the Japanese car makers were often building cars to compete against.
Good points made but saying the 200SX is the quicker car on the open road is madness. The DC2 is quicker in pretty much all situations, assuming both cars are stock. - The Nissan will be a much more of a holigans car, as in you can have more fun at lower speeds, wheelspinning, powersliding and such. It's also the faster car out on the open roads, this I feel is a very important consideration depending on were you live in the country and the types of roads you drive on mostly. If you are in the midlands/fens/London region then there are plenty of BIG fast roads. If however you spend most of your time on much smaller back roads where you almost never get the chance to go to WOT or get above 3rd gear then maybe this isn't the car for you as you simply won't get to enjoy it as much as you should.
Other things to consider is the wealth of tuning potential for the Nissan and the slightly more mature impage and appearance, as in full on coupe/saloon styling as opposed to hot hatch derived looking 3 door coupe.
So the Nissan is faster with more potential, a better GT car and more comfy for daily use.
- The Honda on the other hand is more feisty and ready for action all of the time. If you often drive with a hangover then I'd look elsewhere as this won't be for you. It's also a much more manic car, this is what makes it fun but over longer distances the ITR is more of a dedicated option.
Other bonuses are the Honda is probably better built and will be cheaper to run. I've had a few Nissan's including a 200SX and while they have been ok, I'm not fully sold on this Japanese reliability thing, parts can be expensive too. Then there's fuel, the ITR should be much more frugal and smaller and easier to park if you have to parallel park often.
Personally I'd probably opt for the ITR, but that may be more to do with the fact I've already had a 200SX and have a good alternative to that type of car now.
I'm sure you've considered other cars, but if not I'd also take a look at things like a Impreza WRX/STI, GT-Four, MR2 turbo and some imports from the other side of the Pacific. With similar running costs to the 200SX you could get yourself a 5.7 litre (275-350hp) V8 muscle car. Its worth noting that such cars as these are exactly what the Japanese car makers were often building cars to compete against.
vz-r_dave said:
Good points made but saying the 200SX is the quicker car on the open road is madness. The DC2 is quicker in pretty much all situations, assuming both cars are stock.
You might be right. But I kinda suspect (or at least thought 
) that on an open A road/by-pass or dual carriage way that a good running 200SX would out accelerate a DC2. Only when the road got tighter, more twisty and bendy would a DC2 then be the superior motor.How do they compare 0-100mph wise and general in gear acceleration?
BTW - when I said "open". I meant big, clear fast road as opposed to simply empty.
Also was thinking that the turbo on the 200SX makes it more easy to keep the car in its powerband with more torque than an ITR, were you'd have to be riding the red line to get the most from it.
300bhp/ton said:
mikey P 500 said:
mk2 mr2 rev3 turbo can be tuned to 300bhp for about £500 easily and reliably
Kinda curious, but what's actually involved to achieve that? ta 
Mine dyno'd at 285hp/265tq without an upgraded intercooler, and stock boost control at 0.9bar.
I now have a boost controller set to 1bar, and will be fitting an ST205 chargecooler. Should see me over 300
DC2 - 0-60 in 6.2; 0-100 in 17.9
S14 - 0-60 in 6.5; 0-100 in 18.1
So quite close and as you can see the Nissan makes up a few 10ths higher up. I would say that mid range there wouldnt be a lot in it but the 200SX would have the edge. Thats on the wide open roads, as soon as the B roads come in to play the DC2 would be the quicker car.
S14 - 0-60 in 6.5; 0-100 in 18.1
So quite close and as you can see the Nissan makes up a few 10ths higher up. I would say that mid range there wouldnt be a lot in it but the 200SX would have the edge. Thats on the wide open roads, as soon as the B roads come in to play the DC2 would be the quicker car.
Marf said:
300bhp/ton said:
mikey P 500 said:
mk2 mr2 rev3 turbo can be tuned to 300bhp for about £500 easily and reliably
Kinda curious, but what's actually involved to achieve that? ta Mine dyno'd at 285hp/265tq without an upgraded intercooler, and stock boost control at 0.9bar.
I now have a boost controller set to 1bar, and will be fitting an ST205 chargecooler. Should see me over 300
The rev3 is more capable due to haveing a steel headgasket, better cams, better turbo, bigger injectors as standard.
RobCrezz said:
Marf said:
300bhp/ton said:
mikey P 500 said:
mk2 mr2 rev3 turbo can be tuned to 300bhp for about £500 easily and reliably
Kinda curious, but what's actually involved to achieve that? ta Mine dyno'd at 285hp/265tq without an upgraded intercooler, and stock boost control at 0.9bar.
I now have a boost controller set to 1bar, and will be fitting an ST205 chargecooler. Should see me over 300
The rev3 is more capable due to haveing a steel headgasket, better cams, better turbo, bigger injectors as standard.
Marf said:
RobCrezz said:
Marf said:
300bhp/ton said:
mikey P 500 said:
mk2 mr2 rev3 turbo can be tuned to 300bhp for about £500 easily and reliably
Kinda curious, but what's actually involved to achieve that? ta Mine dyno'd at 285hp/265tq without an upgraded intercooler, and stock boost control at 0.9bar.
I now have a boost controller set to 1bar, and will be fitting an ST205 chargecooler. Should see me over 300
The rev3 is more capable due to haveing a steel headgasket, better cams, better turbo, bigger injectors as standard.
RobCrezz said:
Marf said:
RobCrezz said:
Marf said:
300bhp/ton said:
mikey P 500 said:
mk2 mr2 rev3 turbo can be tuned to 300bhp for about £500 easily and reliably
Kinda curious, but what's actually involved to achieve that? ta Mine dyno'd at 285hp/265tq without an upgraded intercooler, and stock boost control at 0.9bar.
I now have a boost controller set to 1bar, and will be fitting an ST205 chargecooler. Should see me over 300
The rev3 is more capable due to haveing a steel headgasket, better cams, better turbo, bigger injectors as standard.
Have you got some "before" dyno sheets?
Marf said:
RobCrezz said:
Marf said:
RobCrezz said:
Marf said:
300bhp/ton said:
mikey P 500 said:
mk2 mr2 rev3 turbo can be tuned to 300bhp for about £500 easily and reliably
Kinda curious, but what's actually involved to achieve that? ta Mine dyno'd at 285hp/265tq without an upgraded intercooler, and stock boost control at 0.9bar.
I now have a boost controller set to 1bar, and will be fitting an ST205 chargecooler. Should see me over 300
The rev3 is more capable due to haveing a steel headgasket, better cams, better turbo, bigger injectors as standard.
Have you got some "before" dyno sheets?
300bhp/ton said:
mikey P 500 said:
mk2 mr2 rev3 turbo can be tuned to 300bhp for about £500 easily and reliably
Kinda curious, but what's actually involved to achieve that? ta Forums | Japanese Chat | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff