KTM Superduke to Ducati Panigale 1299?
Discussion
I have a 2023 KTM Superduke which I have owned from new and absolutely love however there has always been the itch to own a Panigale 1299 (the Final Edition would be the dream). My thinking behind this is that I am nearing 52 and my joints ache and creak a bit and should I maybe have a last hurrah on a superbike before I physically can't ride one and have to go back to a naked bike? I am 6'1 and on the slender build side so can (joints allowing) can fit on most bikes. So, is the 1299 a mad proposition for the road? Would I regret it massively?
airsafari87 said:
Go for it.
I’m a big believer in buying whatever you want.
I have to say I do normally follow this theory. I did however vow never to have a superbike on the road again after running in my 2015 R1 race bike on the road. Once I stopped road racing I bought a 2017 Triumph Speed Triple R and loved it. I’m a big believer in buying whatever you want.
Are you any further forward in replacing your KTM?
Only bike and road use only, no, you'll have less fun than you do on the KTM in the real world.
I say that as an 1199S owner, a bike that never sees the road as it would just be less fun than my Hyperstrada, in the posing stakes it wins, for everything else its a no from me and I'm a massive Ducati fanboy
I say that as an 1199S owner, a bike that never sees the road as it would just be less fun than my Hyperstrada, in the posing stakes it wins, for everything else its a no from me and I'm a massive Ducati fanboy
dibblecorse said:
Only bike and road use only, no, you'll have less fun than you do on the KTM in the real world.
I say that as an 1199S owner, a bike that never sees the road as it would just be less fun than my Hyperstrada, in the posing stakes it wins, for everything else its a no from me and I'm a massive Ducati fanboy
This is my worry. The Triumph and the KTM have both been superb road bikes as you can use them properly and they make sense on the road. I have had several Ducatis before and they are something special. It is so tempting though!I say that as an 1199S owner, a bike that never sees the road as it would just be less fun than my Hyperstrada, in the posing stakes it wins, for everything else its a no from me and I'm a massive Ducati fanboy
There are plenty of pretty good sportsbikes.
You could get an earlier example of Ducati like a 1198 for a lot less money and lose less when you eventually move it on.
In the long run, would you want to have the KTM? There is a lot to be said for keeping a bike you know and trust and adding another, cheaper used bike of another genre. If you want to tick the Ducati box, a 1098 is a lot of affordable superbike which will perhaps not depreciate much in a few years?
Personally, I think the earlier 748 to 996 era bikes are elemental Ducati Superbike, and plenty for the highway.
That's personal taste, I'd even suggest earlier bikes like the 888 if you can live with a square headlight, but IMHO they are over priced now.
If you really wanted a 1299 that badly, you wouldn't be asking us!
You could get an earlier example of Ducati like a 1198 for a lot less money and lose less when you eventually move it on.
In the long run, would you want to have the KTM? There is a lot to be said for keeping a bike you know and trust and adding another, cheaper used bike of another genre. If you want to tick the Ducati box, a 1098 is a lot of affordable superbike which will perhaps not depreciate much in a few years?
Personally, I think the earlier 748 to 996 era bikes are elemental Ducati Superbike, and plenty for the highway.
That's personal taste, I'd even suggest earlier bikes like the 888 if you can live with a square headlight, but IMHO they are over priced now.
If you really wanted a 1299 that badly, you wouldn't be asking us!
OutInTheShed said:
There are plenty of pretty good sportsbikes.
You could get an earlier example of Ducati like a 1198 for a lot less money and lose less when you eventually move it on.
In the long run, would you want to have the KTM? There is a lot to be said for keeping a bike you know and trust and adding another, cheaper used bike of another genre. If you want to tick the Ducati box, a 1098 is a lot of affordable superbike which will perhaps not depreciate much in a few years?
Personally, I think the earlier 748 to 996 era bikes are elemental Ducati Superbike, and plenty for the highway.
That's personal taste, I'd even suggest earlier bikes like the 888 if you can live with a square headlight, but IMHO they are over priced now.
If you really wanted a 1299 that badly, you wouldn't be asking us!
The reason behind the 1299 is that it is (from what I have read and been told) is that it is more useable and user friendly than the earlier models. I have had an 888 SP5 and an SPS and a have ridden my friend's 916. The 888 was superb but that was 20 years ago and I have had several racing crashes which mean I don't bend as I should. The 916 was wonderful but I couldn't do more than an hour. You could get an earlier example of Ducati like a 1198 for a lot less money and lose less when you eventually move it on.
In the long run, would you want to have the KTM? There is a lot to be said for keeping a bike you know and trust and adding another, cheaper used bike of another genre. If you want to tick the Ducati box, a 1098 is a lot of affordable superbike which will perhaps not depreciate much in a few years?
Personally, I think the earlier 748 to 996 era bikes are elemental Ducati Superbike, and plenty for the highway.
That's personal taste, I'd even suggest earlier bikes like the 888 if you can live with a square headlight, but IMHO they are over priced now.
If you really wanted a 1299 that badly, you wouldn't be asking us!
The KTM is brilliant and is such fun, but there is this itch that I would like to scratch but don't want to feel it a waste getting rid of the bike I have had from new and run in properly etc.
Michael Neeves from MCN is around your height (and I think age as well), he often comments that he gets on quite well with the Panigale's riding position compared to the other superbikes.
I reckon go test ride one and see if you get on with it. It is more powerful but it's not like your Super Duke is a 100hp cream puff, you'll be going from way too much power to way way too much power.
I reckon go test ride one and see if you get on with it. It is more powerful but it's not like your Super Duke is a 100hp cream puff, you'll be going from way too much power to way way too much power.
robinh73 said:
dibblecorse said:
Only bike and road use only, no, you'll have less fun than you do on the KTM in the real world.
I say that as an 1199S owner, a bike that never sees the road as it would just be less fun than my Hyperstrada, in the posing stakes it wins, for everything else its a no from me and I'm a massive Ducati fanboy
This is my worry. The Triumph and the KTM have both been superb road bikes as you can use them properly and they make sense on the road. I have had several Ducatis before and they are something special. It is so tempting though!I say that as an 1199S owner, a bike that never sees the road as it would just be less fun than my Hyperstrada, in the posing stakes it wins, for everything else its a no from me and I'm a massive Ducati fanboy
Here's my story...
I have a 1299S which I have owned since new and was my road bike plus occasional euro TD bike also. It's a beautiful bike and on the right road it is near impossible to think of anything better (I'm sure the V4's must be better).
However, I bought a Gen3 SDR 4 years ago brand new, the two bikes are chalk and cheese frankly. The SDR is a riotous handful and can get out of shape quickly if provoked, but round town it's sublime. The Pani on the other hand will need 3 figure speeds which happen very quickly and you can easily get in trouble.
I live within an hour of N. Wales and the Peak District, the Pani is useless in the PD, other than the fast roads which are heavily policed/speed cameras, same in Wales. The KTM offers far more access to other roads which the Pani would just protest upon, you're not going as fast but you're having much more fun, which for me is what it is about.
Consequently I haven't ridden the Pani since I've owned the KTM, the KTM just makes so much more sense for me and the roads near me (I'm 54 BTW). The reality is I need to sell the Pani as it just isn't getting used, I'm just being lazy by keeping it.
I have a 1299S which I have owned since new and was my road bike plus occasional euro TD bike also. It's a beautiful bike and on the right road it is near impossible to think of anything better (I'm sure the V4's must be better).
However, I bought a Gen3 SDR 4 years ago brand new, the two bikes are chalk and cheese frankly. The SDR is a riotous handful and can get out of shape quickly if provoked, but round town it's sublime. The Pani on the other hand will need 3 figure speeds which happen very quickly and you can easily get in trouble.
I live within an hour of N. Wales and the Peak District, the Pani is useless in the PD, other than the fast roads which are heavily policed/speed cameras, same in Wales. The KTM offers far more access to other roads which the Pani would just protest upon, you're not going as fast but you're having much more fun, which for me is what it is about.
Consequently I haven't ridden the Pani since I've owned the KTM, the KTM just makes so much more sense for me and the roads near me (I'm 54 BTW). The reality is I need to sell the Pani as it just isn't getting used, I'm just being lazy by keeping it.
Freakuk said:
Here's my story...
I have a 1299S which I have owned since new and was my road bike plus occasional euro TD bike also. It's a beautiful bike and on the right road it is near impossible to think of anything better (I'm sure the V4's must be better).
However, I bought a Gen3 SDR 4 years ago brand new, the two bikes are chalk and cheese frankly. The SDR is a riotous handful and can get out of shape quickly if provoked, but round town it's sublime. The Pani on the other hand will need 3 figure speeds which happen very quickly and you can easily get in trouble.
I live within an hour of N. Wales and the Peak District, the Pani is useless in the PD, other than the fast roads which are heavily policed/speed cameras, same in Wales. The KTM offers far more access to other roads which the Pani would just protest upon, you're not going as fast but you're having much more fun, which for me is what it is about.
Consequently I haven't ridden the Pani since I've owned the KTM, the KTM just makes so much more sense for me and the roads near me (I'm 54 BTW). The reality is I need to sell the Pani as it just isn't getting used, I'm just being lazy by keeping it.
This is exactly my worry. I use the KTM and love it. I have done 6000 miles on it since I bought it new in October 2023, not huge miles by some standards but with the weather being as wet as it has been and other things thrown into the equation, it is pretty decent. Therefore I don't want to find the Ducati sitting in the garage and my second bike being used more. I did a ride with a few friends the other day, down to Bala and Betws Y Coed. One was on a Fireblade and he was amazed at the real world pace of the KTM. It really is super. It is only my daft urges telling me to get a Ducati. I have a 1299S which I have owned since new and was my road bike plus occasional euro TD bike also. It's a beautiful bike and on the right road it is near impossible to think of anything better (I'm sure the V4's must be better).
However, I bought a Gen3 SDR 4 years ago brand new, the two bikes are chalk and cheese frankly. The SDR is a riotous handful and can get out of shape quickly if provoked, but round town it's sublime. The Pani on the other hand will need 3 figure speeds which happen very quickly and you can easily get in trouble.
I live within an hour of N. Wales and the Peak District, the Pani is useless in the PD, other than the fast roads which are heavily policed/speed cameras, same in Wales. The KTM offers far more access to other roads which the Pani would just protest upon, you're not going as fast but you're having much more fun, which for me is what it is about.
Consequently I haven't ridden the Pani since I've owned the KTM, the KTM just makes so much more sense for me and the roads near me (I'm 54 BTW). The reality is I need to sell the Pani as it just isn't getting used, I'm just being lazy by keeping it.
robinh73 said:
Freakuk said:
Here's my story...
I have a 1299S which I have owned since new and was my road bike plus occasional euro TD bike also. It's a beautiful bike and on the right road it is near impossible to think of anything better (I'm sure the V4's must be better).
However, I bought a Gen3 SDR 4 years ago brand new, the two bikes are chalk and cheese frankly. The SDR is a riotous handful and can get out of shape quickly if provoked, but round town it's sublime. The Pani on the other hand will need 3 figure speeds which happen very quickly and you can easily get in trouble.
I live within an hour of N. Wales and the Peak District, the Pani is useless in the PD, other than the fast roads which are heavily policed/speed cameras, same in Wales. The KTM offers far more access to other roads which the Pani would just protest upon, you're not going as fast but you're having much more fun, which for me is what it is about.
Consequently I haven't ridden the Pani since I've owned the KTM, the KTM just makes so much more sense for me and the roads near me (I'm 54 BTW). The reality is I need to sell the Pani as it just isn't getting used, I'm just being lazy by keeping it.
This is exactly my worry. I use the KTM and love it. I have done 6000 miles on it since I bought it new in October 2023, not huge miles by some standards but with the weather being as wet as it has been and other things thrown into the equation, it is pretty decent. Therefore I don't want to find the Ducati sitting in the garage and my second bike being used more. I did a ride with a few friends the other day, down to Bala and Betws Y Coed. One was on a Fireblade and he was amazed at the real world pace of the KTM. It really is super. It is only my daft urges telling me to get a Ducati. I have a 1299S which I have owned since new and was my road bike plus occasional euro TD bike also. It's a beautiful bike and on the right road it is near impossible to think of anything better (I'm sure the V4's must be better).
However, I bought a Gen3 SDR 4 years ago brand new, the two bikes are chalk and cheese frankly. The SDR is a riotous handful and can get out of shape quickly if provoked, but round town it's sublime. The Pani on the other hand will need 3 figure speeds which happen very quickly and you can easily get in trouble.
I live within an hour of N. Wales and the Peak District, the Pani is useless in the PD, other than the fast roads which are heavily policed/speed cameras, same in Wales. The KTM offers far more access to other roads which the Pani would just protest upon, you're not going as fast but you're having much more fun, which for me is what it is about.
Consequently I haven't ridden the Pani since I've owned the KTM, the KTM just makes so much more sense for me and the roads near me (I'm 54 BTW). The reality is I need to sell the Pani as it just isn't getting used, I'm just being lazy by keeping it.
A year or two ago I ended up getting entangled with a group of SBK riders near Ruthin, S1000RR's, ZX10's etc and real world there isn't much in it, they new the roads better than me, but I hung in there the whole time. The KTM is down on power, but has way more torque so pulls like a train by comparison.
Can you not swap with your Fireblade friend on the same roads and see if it's a an itch you want to scratch, admittedly the Pani will be a harder ride, heavier on the wrists, probably more cramped, stiffer compared to a blade, but you should be able to get an idea.
If it was to replace your SDR I would say no don't do it, if it's a second bike to lust over and take out occasionally then why not if you can afford it, insurance and running costs.
Freakuk said:
Here's my story...
I have a 1299S which I have owned since new and was my road bike plus occasional euro TD bike also. It's a beautiful bike and on the right road it is near impossible to think of anything better (I'm sure the V4's must be better).
However, I bought a Gen3 SDR 4 years ago brand new, the two bikes are chalk and cheese frankly. The SDR is a riotous handful and can get out of shape quickly if provoked, but round town it's sublime. The Pani on the other hand will need 3 figure speeds which happen very quickly and you can easily get in trouble.
I live within an hour of N. Wales and the Peak District, the Pani is useless in the PD, other than the fast roads which are heavily policed/speed cameras, same in Wales. The KTM offers far more access to other roads which the Pani would just protest upon, you're not going as fast but you're having much more fun, which for me is what it is about.
Consequently I haven't ridden the Pani since I've owned the KTM, the KTM just makes so much more sense for me and the roads near me (I'm 54 BTW). The reality is I need to sell the Pani as it just isn't getting used, I'm just being lazy by keeping it.
BIsh Bash Bosh, Pani for sale, do it!I have a 1299S which I have owned since new and was my road bike plus occasional euro TD bike also. It's a beautiful bike and on the right road it is near impossible to think of anything better (I'm sure the V4's must be better).
However, I bought a Gen3 SDR 4 years ago brand new, the two bikes are chalk and cheese frankly. The SDR is a riotous handful and can get out of shape quickly if provoked, but round town it's sublime. The Pani on the other hand will need 3 figure speeds which happen very quickly and you can easily get in trouble.
I live within an hour of N. Wales and the Peak District, the Pani is useless in the PD, other than the fast roads which are heavily policed/speed cameras, same in Wales. The KTM offers far more access to other roads which the Pani would just protest upon, you're not going as fast but you're having much more fun, which for me is what it is about.
Consequently I haven't ridden the Pani since I've owned the KTM, the KTM just makes so much more sense for me and the roads near me (I'm 54 BTW). The reality is I need to sell the Pani as it just isn't getting used, I'm just being lazy by keeping it.
Freakuk said:
Ah roads I frequent quite a bit also, take a Fireblade onto some of the twistier, undulating roads nearby and you'll be long gone on the KTM.
A year or two ago I ended up getting entangled with a group of SBK riders near Ruthin, S1000RR's, ZX10's etc and real world there isn't much in it, they new the roads better than me, but I hung in there the whole time. The KTM is down on power, but has way more torque so pulls like a train by comparison.
Can you not swap with your Fireblade friend on the same roads and see if it's a an itch you want to scratch, admittedly the Pani will be a harder ride, heavier on the wrists, probably more cramped, stiffer compared to a blade, but you should be able to get an idea.
If it was to replace your SDR I would say no don't do it, if it's a second bike to lust over and take out occasionally then why not if you can afford it, insurance and running costs.
This is it exactly, as a real world bike, the SDR is superb and does everything. I have ridden these roads for the last 30+ years on pretty much the majority of superbikes, well with a period of less so when I was racing for 15 years. The last superbike I rode there was my 2015 R1 which I was running in before being made ready for the NW200. I found it so impractical so I have no idea why I feel a Panigale would be appropriate! I think it is the desire to own one. Sadly at this point in time I couldn't have that as a second bike. I do have a second bike but it is nothing of this ilk. My head says keep the KTM, sell the second bike and put some money on top to get something nicer as a second bike. My heart is going mental and getting all Italian. I do wish that my local Ducati dealer (Woods of Abergele) was still around but sadly it is Stoke on Trent and they were incredibly rude last week when I went in, so a test ride is out of the question. I can see the KTM staying and getting changed next year for a new Triumph Speed Triple 1200RS with the electronic suspension stuff.A year or two ago I ended up getting entangled with a group of SBK riders near Ruthin, S1000RR's, ZX10's etc and real world there isn't much in it, they new the roads better than me, but I hung in there the whole time. The KTM is down on power, but has way more torque so pulls like a train by comparison.
Can you not swap with your Fireblade friend on the same roads and see if it's a an itch you want to scratch, admittedly the Pani will be a harder ride, heavier on the wrists, probably more cramped, stiffer compared to a blade, but you should be able to get an idea.
If it was to replace your SDR I would say no don't do it, if it's a second bike to lust over and take out occasionally then why not if you can afford it, insurance and running costs.
S-O-T Ducati have recently moved location, now in with a Honda dealer also. I haven't visited the new store but I don't have a desire to to be honest.
I have had all of my Ducati's from Ducati Coventry, further away but great service, and for servicing etc they'll collect and drop off.
I have had all of my Ducati's from Ducati Coventry, further away but great service, and for servicing etc they'll collect and drop off.
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