Triumph competitor for Ducati Supersport?
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Was just idly thinking: do Triumph have any plans to release a competitor for the Duc Supersport? In years gone by I always wished for a faired Street Triple or comfy Daytona to be released so make the bike a bit more useable over long distances, but no joy. Given that the Supersport seems to be doing rather well and is in a niche on its own, can we expect a faired and more sporty Street Triple-based Triumph to appear? Seems like a bit of a no brainer to me esp given that they could undercut the Italian by probably at least £1K. Would be a *very* tempting proposition - I love the styling and the V-twin on the Duc, but triple engines and Triumph styling hit me right between the eyes as well!
phil4 said:
There's been a Daytona 765 on the cards forever. Triumph say they'll do it if there's demand.
My guess is it'll come soon after the 2019 Moto2 when the 765 is in use. Use it as a nice intro for the new Daytona.
Triumph dealer I spoke to said "no chance". They don't need to find other avenues to sell 765 engines, all they would do is dilute sales of the Street Triple. My guess is it'll come soon after the 2019 Moto2 when the 765 is in use. Use it as a nice intro for the new Daytona.
Currently there is no 1-to-1 alternative to Ducati Supersport from Triumph.
Street Triple is naked with a wide bar and the discontinued Daytona 675 was a very dedicated sportsbike.
Ducati Supersport is a reincarnation of Honda CBR600F4i, full fairing, sporty but high grips...but with 15 years of development in terms of electronics.
Maybe Triumph will release 765 Daytona, for me it is 50/50 probability.
Do smaller sportsbikes sell? I do not see it.
Alternatives are F3 800, they do not sell so well, but that's because of MV's sparse service center network, imho, and them being a small company (probability of bankruptcy is higher).
The only sporty 600 that I see sell on second-hand market (in Switzerland) is Yamaha R6. I don't know why, but R6 is popular, even though, imho, D675 is a better bike, especially for road. On the other hand, D675 is rare and priced accordingly.
Street Triple is naked with a wide bar and the discontinued Daytona 675 was a very dedicated sportsbike.
Ducati Supersport is a reincarnation of Honda CBR600F4i, full fairing, sporty but high grips...but with 15 years of development in terms of electronics.
Maybe Triumph will release 765 Daytona, for me it is 50/50 probability.
Do smaller sportsbikes sell? I do not see it.
Alternatives are F3 800, they do not sell so well, but that's because of MV's sparse service center network, imho, and them being a small company (probability of bankruptcy is higher).
The only sporty 600 that I see sell on second-hand market (in Switzerland) is Yamaha R6. I don't know why, but R6 is popular, even though, imho, D675 is a better bike, especially for road. On the other hand, D675 is rare and priced accordingly.
phil4 said:
There's been a Daytona 765 on the cards forever. Triumph say they'll do it if there's demand.
My guess is it'll come soon after the 2019 Moto2 when the 765 is in use. Use it as a nice intro for the new Daytona.
How would they judge demand? My guess is it'll come soon after the 2019 Moto2 when the 765 is in use. Use it as a nice intro for the new Daytona.
There is nothing comparable to D765 out there, except for F3 800, which does not sell for a number of reasons.
Ho Lee Kau said:
Currently there is no 1-to-1 alternative to Ducati Supersport from Triumph.
Street Triple is naked with a wide bar and the discontinued Daytona 675 was a very dedicated sportsbike.
Ducati Supersport is a reincarnation of Honda CBR600F4i, full fairing, sporty but high grips...but with 15 years of development in terms of electronics.
Maybe Triumph will release 765 Daytona, for me it is 50/50 probability.
Do smaller sportsbikes sell? I do not see it.
Alternatives are F3 800, they do not sell so well, but that's because of MV's sparse service center network, imho, and them being a small company (probability of bankruptcy is higher).
The only sporty 600 that I see sell on second-hand market (in Switzerland) is Yamaha R6. I don't know why, but R6 is popular, even though, imho, D675 is a better bike, especially for road. On the other hand, D675 is rare and priced accordingly.
My gut feeling is that there is a demand for smaller sport(y) bikes, esp with interesting V-twin and triple engines which make useable power much better than a 600 I4. Not everyone who fancies a sporty ride wants to spend £14k+ on a litre bike and be quite uncomfortable while they're at it, but at the same time they quite like the idea of a something with a bit of grunt that doesn't require thrapping the pants off like a 600 I4. Street Triple is naked with a wide bar and the discontinued Daytona 675 was a very dedicated sportsbike.
Ducati Supersport is a reincarnation of Honda CBR600F4i, full fairing, sporty but high grips...but with 15 years of development in terms of electronics.
Maybe Triumph will release 765 Daytona, for me it is 50/50 probability.
Do smaller sportsbikes sell? I do not see it.
Alternatives are F3 800, they do not sell so well, but that's because of MV's sparse service center network, imho, and them being a small company (probability of bankruptcy is higher).
The only sporty 600 that I see sell on second-hand market (in Switzerland) is Yamaha R6. I don't know why, but R6 is popular, even though, imho, D675 is a better bike, especially for road. On the other hand, D675 is rare and priced accordingly.
Faired, sporty but comfy, pretty, useable 115bhp or so, good dealer network = winner IMO.
If Triumph did that, and charged £1k more for it than the equivalent Street Triple, rather than Duc's £13k, they'd coin it. Forn reference, I only got my Supersport S as it was an epic lightly used deal. New, they're a bit overpriced IMO
Edited by Mario149 on Saturday 22 September 10:16
CaptainSlow said:
The nearest thing Triumph did was the Sprint ST/GT....same weight and slightly more power and torques from a better engine. The Sprints are also a much better all-rounder than the Supersport...decent size hard luggage for starters.
Not as sexy though, and with more budget suspensionMario149 said:
CaptainSlow said:
The nearest thing Triumph did was the Sprint ST/GT....same weight and slightly more power and torques from a better engine. The Sprints are also a much better all-rounder than the Supersport...decent size hard luggage for starters.
Not as sexy though, and with more budget suspensionHo Lee Kau said:
How would they judge demand?
There is nothing comparable to D765 out there, except for F3 800, which does not sell for a number of reasons.
I asked that very same the other day... the suggestion was when each of us asks our triumph dealer. There is nothing comparable to D765 out there, except for F3 800, which does not sell for a number of reasons.
Thing is, much as it may not happen, it's not me making it up, not tiurd hand gossip. Here's someone reasonably high up in Triumph saying it:
https://youtu.be/GpW9iG0KN40?t=9m46s
Ie. go into your dealer and say "yes I'll buy it".
CaptainSlow said:
Not as sexy maybe but the suspension is no worse. The Supersport S has the better suspension.
On paper that doesn't seem to square - both Supersports have fully adjustable USDs, S has fully adjustable rear and the base model only lacks compression adjustment on the rear. The Ducatis have brembos at the front, the Sprint nissins.
Sprint about 30kg heavier as well from memory.
That's not to say the sprint isn't a great bike, i must have looked at them online 100 times and been sorely tempted. But i've never lusted after one in the same way I lusted after my old Street Triple R or current Supersport S.
Mario149 said:
CaptainSlow said:
Not as sexy maybe but the suspension is no worse. The Supersport S has the better suspension.
On paper that doesn't seem to square - both Supersports have fully adjustable USDs, S has fully adjustable rear and the base model only lacks compression adjustment on the rear. The Ducatis have brembos at the front, the Sprint nissins.
Sprint about 30kg heavier as well from memory.
That's not to say the sprint isn't a great bike, i must have looked at them online 100 times and been sorely tempted. But i've never lusted after one in the same way I lusted after my old Street Triple R or current Supersport S.
The Daytona 675 fairings do fit on a 1050 Speed Triple with some fiddling, few places have made them: https://www.motorcyclenews.com/promos/2016/january...
CaptainSlow said:
Mario149 said:
CaptainSlow said:
The nearest thing Triumph did was the Sprint ST/GT....same weight and slightly more power and torques from a better engine. The Sprints are also a much better all-rounder than the Supersport...decent size hard luggage for starters.
Not as sexy though, and with more budget suspensionWombat3 said:
phil4 said:
There's been a Daytona 765 on the cards forever. Triumph say they'll do it if there's demand.
My guess is it'll come soon after the 2019 Moto2 when the 765 is in use. Use it as a nice intro for the new Daytona.
Triumph dealer I spoke to said "no chance". They don't need to find other avenues to sell 765 engines, all they would do is dilute sales of the Street Triple. My guess is it'll come soon after the 2019 Moto2 when the 765 is in use. Use it as a nice intro for the new Daytona.
http://www.worldoftriumph.com/gentlemens-grooming....
2ndclasscitizen said:
The Daytona 675 fairings do fit on a 1050 Speed Triple with some fiddling, few places have made them: https://www.motorcyclenews.com/promos/2016/january...
that looks pretty sweet!Would be cool if Triumph sold the latest Speed Triple RS with Daytona fairings and low handles, it would have looked just as good as RSV4 (only with much better build quality), I would have considered it when I was shopping for a 1L sportsbike despite "lack" of power.
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