EICMA - New Bikes 2025
Discussion
Did a search and couldn't find a thread so starting one for EICMA/New Bike discussions.
I've got a 961 Commando and was looking forward to the new Norton 'resurgence' under the vast TVS Group stewardship, but I must say what an underwhelming release that was.
The Atlas and the Atlas GT may sell, but those Manx models aren't going to be shifting in any great numbers whatsoever, who are they for?
Look at the work that Triumph and the likes of RE are doing, a Norton 650 twin or 500 single or something would have answered more questions that the market asks IMO. Hell, even the 1200 engine in an Adventure bike may have gathered more interest.
I do understand there are more models to be released, which may be along the lines of the ones I allude to above, but I already think for a brand which is haemorrhaging money, this is a poor start.
I've got a 961 Commando and was looking forward to the new Norton 'resurgence' under the vast TVS Group stewardship, but I must say what an underwhelming release that was.
The Atlas and the Atlas GT may sell, but those Manx models aren't going to be shifting in any great numbers whatsoever, who are they for?
Look at the work that Triumph and the likes of RE are doing, a Norton 650 twin or 500 single or something would have answered more questions that the market asks IMO. Hell, even the 1200 engine in an Adventure bike may have gathered more interest.
I do understand there are more models to be released, which may be along the lines of the ones I allude to above, but I already think for a brand which is haemorrhaging money, this is a poor start.
Tam_Mullen said:
Did a search and couldn't find a thread so starting one for EICMA/New Bike discussions.
I've got a 961 Commando and was looking forward to the new Norton 'resurgence' under the vast TVS Group stewardship, but I must say what an underwhelming release that was.
The Atlas and the Atlas GT may sell, but those Manx models aren't going to be shifting in any great numbers whatsoever, who are they for?
Look at the work that Triumph and the likes of RE are doing, a Norton 650 twin or 500 single or something would have answered more questions that the market asks IMO. Hell, even the 1200 engine in an Adventure bike may have gathered more interest.
I do understand there are more models to be released, which may be along the lines of the ones I allude to above, but I already think for a brand which is haemorrhaging money, this is a poor start.
I was keen to see what the replacements would look like, but the current pictures do nothing to inspire at all. They look like they've been designed with a view to swapping out the ICE with a battery in the near future with minimal design changes. They've also moved away from the old branding with a new logo.I've got a 961 Commando and was looking forward to the new Norton 'resurgence' under the vast TVS Group stewardship, but I must say what an underwhelming release that was.
The Atlas and the Atlas GT may sell, but those Manx models aren't going to be shifting in any great numbers whatsoever, who are they for?
Look at the work that Triumph and the likes of RE are doing, a Norton 650 twin or 500 single or something would have answered more questions that the market asks IMO. Hell, even the 1200 engine in an Adventure bike may have gathered more interest.
I do understand there are more models to be released, which may be along the lines of the ones I allude to above, but I already think for a brand which is haemorrhaging money, this is a poor start.
The sports bike looks like a dodgy copy of an early 1199 merged with an S1000RR knock off. You might as well save some money and hassle and buy the old originals. In fact you could probably buy a used one of each and save some money and a lot of hassle.
towser44 said:
Liking the look (and price) of that new Honda CB1000GT
A Honda badged GSX-S1000GX, and nice to have more options as I've looked at both the Suzuki and the S1000XR. If it's £12k with all the toys and panniers that's competitive to where the Suzi is now, and I think it shares the suspension which impressed me.Honda seem to be doing interesting things, I think the CB1000 GT model will be popular. I don't think its much of a looker but I don't find myself drawn to many modern bikes, and its still nicer looking than the Kawasaki equivalent! Likely to be cheaper too.
Interesting that it gets the Hornet 1k engine with only a slight detune, likely for torque. Makes me question why the CB1000F has been castrated so much, genuinely puts me off getting one which is a shame as I think theyre the nicest looking thing Honda have made in years.
A little bit of Honda craziness seems to be back too with the V3R Prototype. Will the e-compressor be a gimmick or effective? Aiming to battle with the 1200cc bikes with a Supercharged 900cc V3 certainly seems interesting! Will be watching this one.
Interesting that it gets the Hornet 1k engine with only a slight detune, likely for torque. Makes me question why the CB1000F has been castrated so much, genuinely puts me off getting one which is a shame as I think theyre the nicest looking thing Honda have made in years.
A little bit of Honda craziness seems to be back too with the V3R Prototype. Will the e-compressor be a gimmick or effective? Aiming to battle with the 1200cc bikes with a Supercharged 900cc V3 certainly seems interesting! Will be watching this one.
doogalman said:
Initially I thought this was a VR5, but it isn't. With exhaust ports either side of the head and what looks like 2 crankshafts 
Some of the releases this year are pretty cool, with Honda's supercharged V3, this V5 on the way we could have some really interesting engined bikes in the next few years!
Crudeoink said:
Initially I thought this was a VR5, but it isn't. With exhaust ports either side of the head and what looks like 2 crankshafts
Some of the releases this year are pretty cool, with Honda's supercharged V3, this V5 on the way we could have some really interesting engined bikes in the next few years!
Yes I pondered if twin cranks with the placement of the end covers. Interesting the Downdraft inlet tracts as you say very unlike a conventional narrow degree V.Some of the releases this year are pretty cool, with Honda's supercharged V3, this V5 on the way we could have some really interesting engined bikes in the next few years!
GameOverMan! said:
Tam_Mullen said:
Did a search and couldn't find a thread so starting one for EICMA/New Bike discussions.
I've got a 961 Commando and was looking forward to the new Norton 'resurgence' under the vast TVS Group stewardship, but I must say what an underwhelming release that was.
The Atlas and the Atlas GT may sell, but those Manx models aren't going to be shifting in any great numbers whatsoever, who are they for?
Look at the work that Triumph and the likes of RE are doing, a Norton 650 twin or 500 single or something would have answered more questions that the market asks IMO. Hell, even the 1200 engine in an Adventure bike may have gathered more interest.
I do understand there are more models to be released, which may be along the lines of the ones I allude to above, but I already think for a brand which is haemorrhaging money, this is a poor start.
I was keen to see what the replacements would look like, but the current pictures do nothing to inspire at all. They look like they've been designed with a view to swapping out the ICE with a battery in the near future with minimal design changes. They've also moved away from the old branding with a new logo.I've got a 961 Commando and was looking forward to the new Norton 'resurgence' under the vast TVS Group stewardship, but I must say what an underwhelming release that was.
The Atlas and the Atlas GT may sell, but those Manx models aren't going to be shifting in any great numbers whatsoever, who are they for?
Look at the work that Triumph and the likes of RE are doing, a Norton 650 twin or 500 single or something would have answered more questions that the market asks IMO. Hell, even the 1200 engine in an Adventure bike may have gathered more interest.
I do understand there are more models to be released, which may be along the lines of the ones I allude to above, but I already think for a brand which is haemorrhaging money, this is a poor start.
The sports bike looks like a dodgy copy of an early 1199 merged with an S1000RR knock off. You might as well save some money and hassle and buy the old originals. In fact you could probably buy a used one of each and save some money and a lot of hassle.
I made a thread a while ago about Japanese bikes not keeping up with the europeans on certain tech. It seems Honda are slowly pulling themselves forward with the rider aids but Suzuki have missed it with this. Another supposed tourer without cruise control but with electronic throttle (so there is NO excuse not to fit it) and a pointless set of rider modes....
Tam_Mullen said:
A little bit of Honda craziness seems to be back too with the V3R Prototype. Will the e-compressor be a gimmick or effective? Aiming to battle with the 1200cc bikes with a Supercharged 900cc V3 certainly seems interesting! Will be watching this one.
This engine does look very interesting, although I'm surprised they started that large. Given the market shifts towards smaller bikes that young people actually might buy, I expected them to go for a 400cc-500cc with the performance of a slightly larger engine. Forums | Biker Banter | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff